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From: andreiw@motorola.com (Andrei Warkentin)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: since when does ARM map the kernel memory in sections?
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 16:38:22 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=f72m_cxXCkKRWdefDKgr67cEf2A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201104282226.23005.pwaechtler@mac.com>

On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Peter Waechtler <pwaechtler@mac.com> wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, 27. April 2011, 02:27:57 schrieben Sie:
>> On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org> wrote:
>> >> Reliable writes are exposed via REQ_FUA.
>> >
>> > Are you sure that's appropriate?
>> >
>> > Unless I have misunderstood (very possible), REQ_FUA means writes hit
>> > non-volatile storage before acknowledgement, not that they are atomic.
>> > I think the normal users of REQ_FUA don't require or expect large
>> > atomic writes; they use it as a shortcut for (write & flush this
>> > write) without implying anything else is flushed.
>>
>> I would agree with you that it's not the best mapping. However, a failed
>> MMC write transaction has other properties. If I understand correctly,
>> depending on mode of failure (say pulling power), you might wind up
>> with extra data getting erased (because erase
>> happens at erase unit boundary), and erase can be done before all the
>> data was transferred from host to card.
>>
>
> No, it's not because of the erase unit size larger than write size.
> An "erase unit" is cleared by garbage collection only IFF the complete unit is
> unused - asynchronously by the ongoing write transaction. The problem with
> damaging neighboring data is: density. No beer (today), i'm drinking wine ;)
>
> The cells storing the "bits" gets smaller and smaller and with multi level
> cells even more bits are represented by "fewer electrons". Programming the
> neighbor cell disturbs the fragile cells. If the error correction is disturbed
> by power loss: off we go...
>
> Someone from the flash vendors eavesdropping? Please, pretty please ... :)
>
> ? ? ? ?Peter
>
> P.S. Andrei: sorry for reposting, but Kmail confuses me with "Reply to all"
>

No problem, I'm confused actually if my mails got through... Here and
in the other mmc flash reliability thread.

A

  reply	other threads:[~2011-04-28 21:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-04-28 20:26 since when does ARM map the kernel memory in sections? Peter Waechtler
2011-04-28 21:38 ` Andrei Warkentin [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-04-12 18:52 Peter Wächtler
2011-04-12 19:11 ` Colin Cross
2011-04-13 18:19   ` Peter Wächtler
2011-04-12 19:20 ` Andrei Warkentin
2011-04-12 20:33   ` Jamie Lokier
2011-04-13 15:27     ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-04-13 20:11       ` Jamie Lokier
2011-04-18 13:52     ` Pavel Machek
2011-04-18 17:07       ` Jamie Lokier
2011-04-18 17:17         ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-04-22 15:47         ` Pavel Machek
2011-04-23  9:23           ` Linus Walleij
2011-04-26 10:33             ` Per Forlin
2011-04-26 19:00               ` Peter Waechtler
2011-04-26 19:07                 ` Jamie Lokier
2011-04-26 20:24               ` Andrei Warkentin
2011-04-26 22:58                 ` Jamie Lokier
2011-04-27  0:27                   ` Andrei Warkentin
2011-04-27 13:19                     ` Jamie Lokier
2011-04-27 13:32                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-27 18:50                         ` Peter Waechtler
2011-04-27 18:58                           ` Andrei Warkentin
2011-04-18 19:21       ` Peter Waechtler
2011-04-18 17:24         ` Pavel Machek
2011-04-19  0:43         ` Jamie Lokier
2011-04-13  6:51   ` Peter Wächtler
2011-04-13 15:44     ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-04-13 18:35       ` Peter Wächtler
2011-04-12 20:15 ` Russell King - ARM Linux

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