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From: andreiw@motorola.com (Andrei Warkentin)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: since when does ARM map the kernel memory in sections?
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 19:27:57 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <BANLkTikcsJxvJAPMigvXXzbKdXsDEdeTXA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110426225818.GD5832@shareable.org>

On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org> wrote:
>>
>> Reliable writes are exposed via REQ_FUA.
>
> Are you sure that's appropriate?
>
> Unless I have misunderstood (very possible), REQ_FUA means writes hit
> non-volatile storage before acknowledgement, not that they are atomic.
> I think the normal users of REQ_FUA don't require or expect large
> atomic writes; they use it as a shortcut for (write & flush this
> write) without implying anything else is flushed.

I would agree with you that it's not the best mapping. However, a failed
MMC write transaction has other properties. If I understand correctly,
depending on mode of failure (say pulling power), you might wind up
with extra data getting erased (because erase
happens at erase unit boundary), and erase can be done before all the
data was transferred from host to card.

The connection I made between FUA and reliable writes, is that you
were guaranteed "physical presence" of the written data on
storage medium as long as the transaction went through successfully. I
can see where I assumed more than I should have.... If that's not the
correct interpretation I will change it.

REQ_META doesn't sound like the right candidate, because it's
enforcing policy. Should there be a REQ_ATOMIC request type?

A

  reply	other threads:[~2011-04-27  0:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-04-12 18:52 since when does ARM map the kernel memory in sections? Peter Wächtler
2011-04-12 19:11 ` Colin Cross
2011-04-13 18:19   ` Peter Wächtler
2011-04-12 19:20 ` Andrei Warkentin
2011-04-12 20:33   ` Jamie Lokier
2011-04-13 15:27     ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-04-13 20:11       ` Jamie Lokier
2011-04-18 13:52     ` Pavel Machek
2011-04-18 17:07       ` Jamie Lokier
2011-04-18 17:17         ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-04-22 15:47         ` Pavel Machek
2011-04-23  9:23           ` Linus Walleij
2011-04-26 10:33             ` Per Forlin
2011-04-26 19:00               ` Peter Waechtler
2011-04-26 19:07                 ` Jamie Lokier
2011-04-26 20:38                   ` MMC and reliable write - was: " Peter Waechtler
2011-04-26 22:45                     ` Jamie Lokier
2011-04-27  1:13                       ` Andrei Warkentin
2011-04-27 13:07                         ` Jamie Lokier
2011-04-27 19:18                           ` Andrei Warkentin
2011-04-27 19:33                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-05-03  8:04                             ` Jamie Lokier
2011-06-06 10:28                               ` Pavel Machek
2011-06-06 20:38                                 ` Peter Waechtler
2011-04-26 20:24               ` Andrei Warkentin
2011-04-26 22:58                 ` Jamie Lokier
2011-04-27  0:27                   ` Andrei Warkentin [this message]
2011-04-27 13:19                     ` Jamie Lokier
2011-04-27 13:32                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-04-27 18:50                         ` Peter Waechtler
2011-04-27 18:58                           ` Andrei Warkentin
2011-04-18 19:21       ` Peter Waechtler
2011-04-18 17:24         ` Pavel Machek
2011-04-19  0:43         ` Jamie Lokier
2011-04-13  6:51   ` Peter Wächtler
2011-04-13 15:44     ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-04-13 18:35       ` Peter Wächtler
2011-04-12 20:15 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-04-28 20:26 Peter Waechtler
2011-04-28 21:38 ` Andrei Warkentin

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