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From: "Luca Ceresoli" <luca.ceresoli@bootlin.com>
To: "Maxime Ripard" <mripard@kernel.org>,
	"Luca Ceresoli" <luca.ceresoli@bootlin.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 19/37] drm/bridge: samsung-dsim: move drm_bridge_add() call to probe
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2026 19:06:26 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <DJIAM5GDIA9W.NJQJTONTBQRI@bootlin.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260624-courageous-accomplished-sambar-0e3cf8@houat>

On Wed Jun 24, 2026 at 5:28 PM CEST, Maxime Ripard wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 11, 2026 at 10:54:14AM +0200, Luca Ceresoli wrote:
>> On Mon Jun 8, 2026 at 1:58 PM CEST, Maxime Ripard wrote:
>> > On Tue, May 19, 2026 at 12:37:36PM +0200, Luca Ceresoli wrote:
>> >> This bridge driver calls drm_bridge_add() in the DSI host .attach callback
>> >> instead of in the probe function.
>> >>
>> >> This works for current use cases but is problematic for supporting hotplug
>> >> of DRM bridges. The problematic case is when this DSI host is always
>> >> present while its DSI device is hot-pluggable. In such case with the
>> >> current code the DRM card will not be populated until after the DSI device
>> >> attaches to the host, which could happen a very long time after booting, or
>> >> even not happen at all.
>> >>
>> >> The reason is that the previous pipeline component (the encoder in this
>> >> case) when probing cannot find the samsung-dsim bridge. What happens is:
>> >>
>> >>  [1 and 2 can happen in any order, same result]
>> >>  1) samsung-dsim probes (does not drm_bridge_add() itself)
>> >>  2) The lcdif starts probing multiple times, but
>> >>     lcdif_probe
>> >>     -> lcdif_load
>> >>        -> lcdif_attach_bridge
>> >>           -> devm_drm_of_get_bridge() returns -EPROBE_DEFER because
>> >>              the samsung-dsim is not in the global bridge_list
>> >>              (deferred probe pending: imx-lcdif: Cannot connect bridge)
>> >>
>> >> The samsung-dsim will not drm_bridge_add() itself until a DSI device will
>> >> try to mipi_dsi_attach() to the DSI Host, which can happen arbitratily late
>> >> on hot-pluggable hardware.
>> >>
>> >> As a preliminary step to supporting hotplug move drm_bridge_add() at probe
>> >> time, so that the samsung-dsim DSI host bridge is available during boot,
>> >> even without a connected DSI device. This results in:
>> >>
>> >>  1) samsung-dsim probes (and adds to drm_bridge_add() itself)
>> >>  2) The lcdif starts probing multiple times, but
>> >>     lcdif_probe
>> >>     -> lcdif_load
>> >>        -> lcdif_attach_bridge
>> >>           -> devm_drm_of_get_bridge() --> OK, returns samsung-dsim ptr
>> >>
>> >> Signed-off-by: Luca Ceresoli <luca.ceresoli@bootlin.com>
>> >
>> > We should probably amend
>> > https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/gpu/drm-kms-helpers.html#special-care-with-mipi-dsi-bridges
>> >
>> > To mention this use case here
>>
>> Right. I haven't updated the docs for this v1 because I was not sure the
>> overall approach would be acked. Now Dmitry acked it overall, and I kind of
>> infer you are not against, so I'll look into updating the docs in v2.
>>
>> However I find that section of the docs a bit hard to read especially from
>> a newcomer perspective.
>
> It's a complex problem, so I don't think we should expect the target
> audience to be newcomers. But maybe we can indeed improve it.
>
>> A better understanding on my side would help in doing the right change as
>> far as this patch is concerned, and as a bonus in improving the section
>> overall (that would probably be a separate series).
>>
>> So I have a couple questions to start from:
>>
>>  * Do I understand correctly that using the component framework is legacy,
>>    not recommended for new DRM development, and that converting existing
>>    code to stop using it is welcome?
>
> No. It's not legacy or deprecated. And about the conversion, I guess
> it's on a case-by-case basis? It's not encouraged or discouraged anyway.
>
>>  * The first bullet quotes "The upstream driver [...] isn’t a MIPI-DSI
>>    host". If the upstream driver of a MIPI DSI link isn't a MIPI DSI host,
>>    what else could it be? What are the use cases here?
>
> Nowhere is it said that we're considering a MIPI-DSI link here,

To me, the section title "Special Care with MIPI-DSI bridges" seems to
suggest that.

What about rewording as "Possible driver combinations and their probe
sequences" or the like?

> so the
> use case is any bridge that isn't using MIPI-DSI at all.
>
>>  * If read literally, none of the 4 bullets after "Indeed, there’s multiple
>>    cases that needs to be considered" covers this driver (it does not use
>>    the component framework, it does not use DCS, and the upstream device is
>>    a DSI host). However the 3 bullets after "The ideal pattern to cover the
>>    last item" appear to cover what this driver does.  Do we need a fifth
>>    bullet for drivers like this one? Or...?
>
> You tell me :)
>
> How does hotplugging, say, a MIPI-DSI device bridge controlled over I2C,
> or a MIPI-DSI host bridge, affect the probing sequence, and can we end
> up in endless probe deferrals?

I'll try to write that in a fifth bullet in v2.

Luca

--
Luca Ceresoli, Bootlin
Embedded Linux and Kernel engineering
https://bootlin.com


  reply	other threads:[~2026-06-25 17:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-05-19 10:37 [PATCH 00/37] drm bridge hotplug Luca Ceresoli
2026-05-19 10:37 ` [PATCH 01/37] drm/connector: split drmm_connector_hdmi_init() in 3 parts Luca Ceresoli
2026-06-08 11:37   ` Maxime Ripard
2026-05-19 10:37 ` [PATCH 02/37] drm/connector: add drm_connector_hdmi_dynamic_init() Luca Ceresoli
2026-05-19 10:37 ` [PATCH 03/37] drm/display: bridge-connector: rename variable for consistency Luca Ceresoli
2026-05-19 10:37 ` [PATCH 04/37] drm/display: bridge-connector: store the drm_device pointer Luca Ceresoli
2026-06-08 11:34   ` Maxime Ripard
2026-06-12 13:12     ` Luca Ceresoli
2026-05-19 10:37 ` [PATCH 05/37] drm/display: bridge-connector: split code creating the connector to a subfunction Luca Ceresoli
2026-06-08 11:40   ` Maxime Ripard
2026-06-12 12:56     ` Luca Ceresoli
2026-06-24 11:41       ` Maxime Ripard
2026-06-24 15:47         ` Luca Ceresoli
2026-05-19 10:37 ` [PATCH 06/37] drm/display: bridge-connector: use a drm_bridge_connector internally, not a drm_connector Luca Ceresoli
2026-06-08 11:41   ` Maxime Ripard
2026-06-12 12:57     ` Luca Ceresoli
2026-06-24 11:47       ` Maxime Ripard
2026-06-24 15:39         ` Luca Ceresoli
2026-05-19 10:37 ` [PATCH 07/37] drm/display: bridge-connector: extract drm_bridge_connector_get_bridges() Luca Ceresoli
2026-05-19 10:37 ` [PATCH 08/37] drm/display: bridge-connector: return int from drm_bridge_connector_get_bridges() Luca Ceresoli
2026-05-19 10:37 ` [PATCH 09/37] drm/display: bridge-connector: extract drm_bridge_connector_init_hdmi_audio_cec() Luca Ceresoli
2026-05-19 10:37 ` [PATCH 10/37] drm/display: bridge-connector: return int from drm_bridge_connector_init_hdmi_audio_cec() Luca Ceresoli
2026-05-19 10:37 ` [PATCH 11/37] drm/display: bridge-connector: return int from drm_bridge_connector_add_connector() Luca Ceresoli
2026-05-19 10:37 ` [PATCH 12/37] drm/display: bridge-connector: hoist error management to common code Luca Ceresoli
2026-05-19 10:37 ` [PATCH 13/37] drm/display: bridge-connector: move drm_bridge_connector_put_bridges() definition eariler Luca Ceresoli
2026-05-19 10:37 ` [PATCH 14/37] drm/display: bridge-connector: add non-drmm variant of drm_bridge_connector_put_bridges() Luca Ceresoli
2026-05-19 10:37 ` [PATCH 15/37] drm/display: bridge-connector: allocate the connector dynamically Luca Ceresoli
2026-06-08 11:46   ` Maxime Ripard
2026-06-12 12:44     ` Luca Ceresoli
2026-06-24 11:48       ` Maxime Ripard
2026-06-24 15:34         ` Luca Ceresoli
2026-06-25  9:32           ` Luca Ceresoli
2026-05-19 10:37 ` [PATCH 16/37] drm/display: bridge-connector: move per-connector fields to the dynamic connector Luca Ceresoli
2026-05-19 10:37 ` [PATCH 17/37] drm/display: bridge-connector: protect dynconn creation and destruction with a mutex Luca Ceresoli
2026-06-08 11:49   ` Maxime Ripard
2026-06-10 13:30     ` Luca Ceresoli
2026-05-19 10:37 ` [PATCH 18/37] drm/bridge: samsung-dsim: remove the panel_bridge on host_detach Luca Ceresoli
2026-06-08 11:53   ` Maxime Ripard
2026-06-10 13:24     ` Luca Ceresoli
2026-06-24 12:26       ` Maxime Ripard
2026-05-19 10:37 ` [PATCH 19/37] drm/bridge: samsung-dsim: move drm_bridge_add() call to probe Luca Ceresoli
2026-06-08 11:58   ` Maxime Ripard
2026-06-11  8:54     ` Luca Ceresoli
2026-06-24 15:28       ` Maxime Ripard
2026-06-25 17:06         ` Luca Ceresoli [this message]
2026-05-19 10:37 ` [PATCH 20/37] drm/bridge: samsung-dsim: attach: return -EPROBE_DEFER is next bridge not yet available Luca Ceresoli
2026-05-19 10:37 ` [PATCH 21/37] drm/bridge: initialize chain_node list head on allocation Luca Ceresoli
2026-05-19 10:37 ` [PATCH 22/37] drm/bridge: initialize chain_node list head on detach and attach errors Luca Ceresoli
2026-05-19 10:37 ` [PATCH 23/37] drm/encoder: add drm_encoder_cleanup_from() Luca Ceresoli
2026-06-08 12:10   ` Maxime Ripard
2026-06-09 10:10     ` Luca Ceresoli
2026-06-09 12:43       ` Maxime Ripard
2026-05-19 10:37 ` [PATCH 24/37] drm/atomic: move drm_atomic_helper_disable_all() and drm_atomic_helper_shutdown() from drm_atomic_helper to drm_atomic Luca Ceresoli
2026-05-19 10:37 ` [PATCH 25/37] drm/bridge: shutdown and cleanup on bridge unplug Luca Ceresoli
2026-06-08 12:07   ` Maxime Ripard
2026-06-09  9:31     ` Luca Ceresoli
2026-05-19 10:37 ` [PATCH 26/37] drm: event-notifier: add mechanism to notify about hotplug events Luca Ceresoli
2026-06-08 12:13   ` Maxime Ripard
2026-06-09  9:30     ` Luca Ceresoli
2026-06-24 15:09       ` Maxime Ripard
2026-05-19 10:37 ` [PATCH 27/37] drm/bridge: notify about detached bridges Luca Ceresoli
2026-05-19 10:37 ` [PATCH 28/37] drm/mipi-dsi: turn DRM_MIPI_DSI into a tristate Luca Ceresoli
2026-05-19 10:37 ` [PATCH 29/37] drm/mipi-dsi: notify about DSI attach Luca Ceresoli
2026-05-19 10:37 ` [PATCH 30/37] drm/bridge: add drm_bridge_is_tail() to know whether a bridge completes the pipeline Luca Ceresoli
2026-06-08 12:34   ` Maxime Ripard
2026-06-09  8:23     ` Luca Ceresoli
2026-06-24 13:04       ` Maxime Ripard
2026-06-24 16:06         ` Luca Ceresoli
2026-05-19 10:37 ` [PATCH 31/37] drm/bridge: panel: implement .is_tail Luca Ceresoli
2026-05-19 15:12   ` Neil Armstrong
2026-05-19 10:37 ` [PATCH 32/37] drm/bridge: display-connector: " Luca Ceresoli
2026-05-19 10:37 ` [PATCH 33/37] drm/bridge: samsung-dsim: " Luca Ceresoli
2026-05-19 10:37 ` [PATCH 34/37] drm/bridge: ti-sn65dsi83: " Luca Ceresoli
2026-05-19 10:37 ` [PATCH 35/37] drm/bridge: drm_bridge_attach(): don't fail on -EPROBE_DEFER Luca Ceresoli
2026-05-19 10:37 ` [PATCH 36/37] drm/display: bridge-connector: handle bridge hotplug Luca Ceresoli
2026-05-19 10:37 ` [PATCH 37/37] drm/mxsfb/lcdif: enable " Luca Ceresoli
2026-06-01 15:44 ` [PATCH 00/37] drm " Luca Ceresoli
2026-06-09  7:47   ` Luca Ceresoli

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