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From: Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>
To: "Kubalewski, Arkadiusz" <arkadiusz.kubalewski@intel.com>
Cc: Vadim Fedorenko <vfedorenko@novek.ru>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	Jonathan Lemon <jonathan.lemon@gmail.com>,
	Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	"netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Vadim Fedorenko <vadfed@fb.com>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org"
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	"linux-clk@vger.kernel.org" <linux-clk@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Olech, Milena" <milena.olech@intel.com>,
	"Michalik, Michal" <michal.michalik@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v4 2/4] dpll: Add DPLL framework base functions
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2022 17:15:23 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y4okm5TrBj+JAJrV@nanopsycho> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR11MB4657C8417DEB0B14EC35802E9B179@DM6PR11MB4657.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

Fri, Dec 02, 2022 at 03:54:33PM CET, arkadiusz.kubalewski@intel.com wrote:
>>From: Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>
>>Sent: Friday, December 2, 2022 1:40 PM
>>
>>Fri, Dec 02, 2022 at 12:27:35PM CET, arkadiusz.kubalewski@intel.com wrote:
>>>>From: Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 5:37 PM Tue, Nov 29, 2022 at
>>>>10:37:22PM CET, vfedorenko@novek.ru wrote:
>>>>>From: Vadim Fedorenko <vadfed@fb.com>
>>
>>[...]
>>
>>
>>>>>+static int
>>>>>+dpll_msg_add_pin_netifindex(struct sk_buff *msg, const struct
>>>>dpll_pin_attr *attr)
>>>>>+{
>>>>>+	unsigned int netifindex; // TODO: Should be u32?
>>>>>+
>>>>>+	if (dpll_pin_attr_netifindex_get(attr, &netifindex))
>>>>>+		return 0;
>>>>>+	if (nla_put_u32(msg, DPLLA_PIN_NETIFINDEX, netifindex))
>>>>
>>>>I was thinking about this. It is problematic. DPLL has no notion of
>>>>network namespaces. So if the driver passes ifindex, dpll/user has no
>>>>clue in which network namespace it is (ifindexes ovelay in multiple
>>>>namespaces).
>>>>
>>>>There is no easy/nice solution. For now, I would go without this and
>>>>only have linkage the opposite direction, from netdev to dpll.
>>>
>>>Well, makes sense to me.
>>>Although as I have checked `ip a` showed the same ifindex either if
>>>port was in the namespace or not.
>>
>>That is not the problem. The problem is, that you can have following two
>>netdevs with the same ifindex each in different netns.
>>1) netdev x: ifindex 8, netns ns1
>>2) netdev y: ifindex 8, netns ns2
>>
>
>OK, I now see your point what is the confusion.
>Thanks for explanation.
>But I am still not sure how to make it this way in Linux, if interface added to
>netns uses original netdev ifindex, and driver after reload receives new
>(previously unused ifindex) what would be the steps/commands to make it as you
>described? 

As I said, I don't see a way to have the ifindex exposed throught dpll
at all. I believe we should do it only the other way around. Assign
dpll_pin pointer to struct net_device and expose this over new attr
IFLA_DPLL_PIN over RT netlink.


>
>>>Isn't it better to let the user know ifindex, even if he has to iterate
>>>all the namespaces he has created?
>>
>>Definitelly not. As I showed above, one ifindex may refer to multiple
>>netdevice instances.
>>
>>
>>[...]
>>
>>
>>>>>+	DPLLA_NETIFINDEX,
>>>>
>>>>Duplicate, you have it under pin.
>>>
>>>The pin can have netifindex as pin signal source may originate there by
>>>Clock recovery mechanics.
>>>The dpll can have ifindex as it "owns" the dpll.
>>
>>DPLL is not owned by any netdevice. That does not make any sense.
>>Netdevice may be "child" of the same PCI device as the dpll instance.
>>But that's it.
>
>Sure, I won't insist on having it there, as I said, thought Maciej have seen
>a benefit with such traceability, unfortunately I cannot recall what was it.
>
>
>Thanks,
>Arkadiusz
> 
>>
>>
>>>Shall user know about it? probably nothing usefull for him, although
>>>didn't Maciej Machnikowski asked to have such traceability?

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-12-02 16:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-29 21:37 [RFC PATCH v4 0/4] Create common DPLL/clock configuration API Vadim Fedorenko
2022-11-29 21:37 ` [RFC PATCH v4 1/4] dpll: add dpll_attr/dpll_pin_attr helper classes Vadim Fedorenko
2022-11-29 21:37 ` [RFC PATCH v4 2/4] dpll: Add DPLL framework base functions Vadim Fedorenko
2022-11-30 15:21   ` Jiri Pirko
2022-11-30 16:23     ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-23 16:45     ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2023-01-02 12:28       ` Jiri Pirko
2022-11-30 16:37   ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-02 11:27     ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-02 12:39       ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-02 14:54         ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-02 16:15           ` Jiri Pirko [this message]
     [not found]             ` <20221202212206.3619bd5f@kernel.org>
2022-12-05 10:32               ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-06  0:19                 ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-06  8:50                   ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-06 17:27                     ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-07 13:10                       ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-07 16:59                         ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-08  8:14                           ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-08 16:19                             ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-08 16:33                               ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-08 17:05                                 ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-09  9:29                                   ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-09 16:19                                     ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-12 13:36                                       ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-13 18:08                                         ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-14  7:32                                           ` Jiri Pirko
2022-11-29 21:37 ` [RFC PATCH v4 3/4] dpll: documentation on DPLL subsystem interface Vadim Fedorenko
2022-12-19  9:13   ` Paolo Abeni
2023-01-12 13:45     ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-11-29 21:37 ` [RFC PATCH v4 4/4] ptp_ocp: implement DPLL ops Vadim Fedorenko
2022-11-30 12:41   ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-02 11:27     ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-02 12:48       ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-02 14:39         ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-02 16:20           ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-08  0:35             ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-08  8:19               ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-07  2:33           ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-07 13:19             ` Jiri Pirko
2022-11-30 12:32 ` [RFC PATCH v4 0/4] Create common DPLL/clock configuration API Jiri Pirko
2022-12-02 11:27   ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-02 16:12     ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-07  2:47       ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-07 14:09         ` netdev.dump
2022-12-07 23:21           ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-08 11:28             ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-09  0:39               ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-09  0:56                 ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-08 18:08             ` Maciek Machnikowski
2022-12-09 11:07               ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-09 14:09                 ` Maciek Machnikowski
2022-12-09 16:31                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-09 17:11                     ` Maciek Machnikowski
2022-12-12 13:58                     ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-09 14:43                       ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2023-01-09 16:30                         ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-10 10:54                           ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2023-01-10 14:28                             ` Jiri Pirko
     [not found]                             ` <645a5bfd-0092-2f39-0ff2-3ffb27ccf8fe@machnikowski.net>
2023-01-11 14:17                               ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2023-01-11 14:40                                 ` Maciek Machnikowski
2023-01-11 15:30                                   ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2023-01-11 15:54                                     ` Maciek Machnikowski
2023-01-11 16:27                                       ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2023-01-10 20:05                         ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-11  8:19                           ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-11 14:16                             ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2023-01-11 15:04                               ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-11 15:30                                 ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2023-01-11 16:14                                   ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-12 12:15                                     ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2023-01-12 14:43                                       ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-09  0:46             ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-07 14:51         ` Jiri Pirko
     [not found]           ` <20221207091946.3115742f@kernel.org>
2022-12-08 12:02             ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-08 18:23             ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-08  0:27       ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-08 11:58         ` Jiri Pirko
2022-12-08 23:05           ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2022-12-09 10:01             ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-12 12:23 ` Kubalewski, Arkadiusz
2023-01-12 14:50   ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-12 19:09   ` Jakub Kicinski

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