From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.8 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIMWL_WL_HIGH, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C20BC433DB for ; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 08:27:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from merlin.infradead.org (merlin.infradead.org [205.233.59.134]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F11F964D5D for ; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 08:27:26 +0000 (UTC) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org F11F964D5D Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=linuxfoundation.org Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=linux-arm-kernel-bounces+linux-arm-kernel=archiver.kernel.org@lists.infradead.org DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lists.infradead.org; s=merlin.20170209; h=Sender:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type:Cc:List-Subscribe:List-Help:List-Post:List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe:List-Id:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID: Subject:To:From:Date:Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Owner; bh=jm1Wj7pxvQIbEkTKgIktch0Pt0L8mPQxzkJtO0tNGn8=; b=dvYbiX3FhNDfYZyMO0kcfNIJp 0KRxB5hm3OFF6URuTzh8x5PFTcUeVhOXAkcaN2l1tPzszOXScBrtTy3xOLO/mIuSDi79FMCq27Ioi aJIvRfIt+t3CWpuZoL/zv9PeYAeKcE6UU7LiKk2k8pC0J6VJrHT224FbxG1jyXxYqRZISgV+k+cwf cs0csS11YqpvCE/45q+ysFJCYfIW273jUKiBTFinh7TqBWDXpdU8cvMZkDx+gfT/QFTVkhIZIMAU+ 9217U2ifF9oku3nxKdAtk2nXVIbLb/UR6jE75c+rdSKrMEkcEZk3D4GrHVKMN7gz06vz758pBJ6Kn J25ksMRiA==; Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=merlin.infradead.org) by merlin.infradead.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92.3 #3 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1lD16C-0006zE-Ft; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 08:25:16 +0000 Received: from mail.kernel.org ([198.145.29.99]) by merlin.infradead.org with esmtps (Exim 4.92.3 #3 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1lD169-0006yT-MB for linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 08:25:14 +0000 Received: by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8981564ECA; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 08:25:10 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=linuxfoundation.org; s=korg; t=1613723111; bh=vAB2VObCR2rKd1B0FQIfarguQ4GHbrFPlctGsXxoTFs=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=rGsQ2K6AA0wDclFL32XdYT9ThrLMo35dM7y+P+dmwWSnnI0huiCIrKWNTPCLxJuDh zazk8dkMVmVdtxfTaVnYqIU/+G+GxdtW8xFskdFpjG89CeVHepQqVnsghzTxyjlcrY sTq8zBUsklgxRxIC/YZACF6YvbKUOlKqp6RU1zW0= Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 09:25:08 +0100 From: Greg Kroah-Hartman To: Scott Branden Subject: Re: 5.10 LTS Kernel: 2 or 6 years? Message-ID: References: <8cf503db-ac4c-a546-13c0-aac6da5c073b@broadcom.com> <20210218165104.GC2013@sasha-vm> <00b9e2fb-d818-58d6-edae-4dbd6aa814f7@gmail.com> <20210218182050.GB15217@1wt.eu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-CRM114-Version: 20100106-BlameMichelson ( TRE 0.8.0 (BSD) ) MR-646709E3 X-CRM114-CacheID: sfid-20210219_032513_819114_EFA25F03 X-CRM114-Status: GOOD ( 22.96 ) X-BeenThere: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Sasha Levin , Florian Fainelli , LKML , BCM Kernel Feedback , Willy Tarreau , Linux ARM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: "linux-arm-kernel" Errors-To: linux-arm-kernel-bounces+linux-arm-kernel=archiver.kernel.org@lists.infradead.org On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 12:16:50PM -0800, Scott Branden wrote: > On 2021-02-18 10:36 a.m., Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 07:20:50PM +0100, Willy Tarreau wrote: > >> On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 06:53:56PM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: > >>> On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 09:21:13AM -0800, Florian Fainelli wrote: > >>>> As a company, we are most likely shooting ourselves in the foot by not > >>>> having a point of coordination with the Linux Foundation and key people > >>>> like you, Greg and other participants in the stable kernel. > >>> > >>> What does the LF have to do with this? > >>> > >>> We are here, on the mailing lists, working with everyone. Just test the > >>> -rc releases we make and let us know if they work or not for you, it's > >>> not a lot of "coordination" needed at all. > >>> > >>> Otherwise, if no one is saying that they are going to need these for 6 > >>> years and are willing to use it in their project (i.e. and test it), > >>> there's no need for us to maintain it for that long, right? > >> > >> Greg, please remember I expressed I really need them for slightly more than > >> 3 years (say 3.5-4) :-) I'm fine with helping a bit more as time permits if > >> this saves me from having to take over these kernels after you, like in the > >> past, but I cannot engage on the regularity of my availability. > > > > Ok, great! > > > > That's one person/company saying they can help out (along with what CIP > > has been stating.) > > > > What about others? Broadcom started this conversation, odd that they > > don't seem to want to help out :) > Greg, I'm sorry but I'm not in a position to provide such a commitment. Ok, who at Broadcom do I need to talk to to get that type of commitment? > My original question arose because the 5.10 kernel is declared as 2 years LTS while older LTS kernels are now 6 years. > One problem this has created is requests to provide silicon support in an older kernel version (for a new project) rather than starting from a newer kernel version that more properly supports the (silicon and non-silicon) features. Sounds like your development model is broken, again, who do I need to talk to in order to help you all fix this? thanks, greg k-h _______________________________________________ linux-arm-kernel mailing list linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-arm-kernel