From: Oliver Upton <oliver.upton@linux.dev>
To: Alexandru Elisei <alexandru.elisei@arm.com>
Cc: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
maz@kernel.org, kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: KVM/arm64: SPE: Translate VA to IPA on a stage 2 fault instead of pinning VM memory
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2022 10:51:21 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <YuApmZFdZzTi5ROu@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Yt5nFAscgrRGNGoH@monolith.localdoman>
Hi Alex,
On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 11:06:24AM +0100, Alexandru Elisei wrote:
[...]
> > A funkier approach might be to defer pinning of the buffer until the SPE is
> > enabled and avoid pinning all of VM memory that way, although I can't
> > immediately tell how flexible the architecture is in allowing you to cache
> > the base/limit values.
>
> I was investigating this approach, and Mark raised a concern that I think
> might be a showstopper.
>
> Let's consider this scenario:
>
> Initial conditions: guest at EL1, profiling disabled (PMBLIMITR_EL1.E = 0,
> PMBSR_EL1.S = 0, PMSCR_EL1.{E0SPE,E1SPE} = {0,0}).
>
> 1. Guest programs the buffer and enables it (PMBLIMITR_EL1.E = 1).
> 2. Guest programs SPE to enable profiling at **EL0**
> (PMSCR_EL1.{E0SPE,E1SPE} = {1,0}).
> 3. Guest changes the translation table entries for the buffer. The
> architecture allows this.
> 4. Guest does an ERET to EL0, thus enabling profiling.
>
> Since KVM cannot trap the ERET to EL0, it will be impossible for KVM to pin
> the buffer at stage 2 when profiling gets enabled at EL0.
Not saying we necessarily should, but this is possible with FGT no?
> I can see two solutions here:
>
> a. Accept the limitation (and advertise it in the documentation) that if
> someone wants to use SPE when running as a Linux guest, the kernel used by
> the guest must not change the buffer translation table entries after the
> buffer has been enabled (PMBLIMITR_EL1.E = 1). Linux already does that, so
> running a Linux guest should not be a problem. I don't know how other OSes
> do it (but I can find out). We could also phrase it that the buffer
> translation table entries can be changed after enabling the buffer, but
> only if profiling happens at EL1. But that sounds very arbitrary.
>
> b. Pin the buffer after the stage 2 DABT that SPE will report in the
> situation above. This means that there is a blackout window, but will
> happen only once after each time the guest reprograms the buffer. I don't
> know if this is acceptable. We could say that this if this blackout window
> is not acceptable, then the guest kernel shouldn't change the translation
> table entries after enabling the buffer.
>
> Or drop the approach of pinning the buffer and go back to pinning the
> entire memory of the VM.
>
> Any thoughts on this? I would very much prefer to try to pin only the
> buffer.
Doesn't pinning the buffer also imply pinning the stage 1 tables
responsible for its translation as well? I agree that pinning the buffer
is likely the best way forward as pinning the whole of guest memory is
entirely impractical.
I'm also a bit confused on how we would manage to un-pin memory on the
way out with this. The guest is free to muck with the stage 1 and could
cause the SPU to spew a bunch of stage 2 aborts if it wanted to be
annoying. One way to tackle it would be to only allow a single
root-to-target walk to be pinned by a vCPU at a time. Any time a new
stage 2 abort comes from the SPU, we un-pin the old walk and pin the new
one instead.
Live migration also throws a wrench in this. IOW, there are still potential
sources of blackout unattributable to guest manipulation of the SPU.
Going to think on this some more..
--
Thanks,
Oliver
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Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-04-19 13:51 KVM/arm64: SPE: Translate VA to IPA on a stage 2 fault instead of pinning VM memory Alexandru Elisei
2022-04-19 14:10 ` Will Deacon
2022-04-19 14:44 ` Alexandru Elisei
2022-04-19 14:59 ` Will Deacon
2022-04-19 15:20 ` Alexandru Elisei
2022-04-19 15:35 ` Alexandru Elisei
2022-07-25 10:06 ` Alexandru Elisei
2022-07-26 17:51 ` Oliver Upton [this message]
2022-07-27 9:30 ` Marc Zyngier
2022-07-27 9:52 ` Marc Zyngier
2022-07-27 10:38 ` Alexandru Elisei
2022-07-27 16:06 ` Oliver Upton
2022-07-27 10:56 ` Alexandru Elisei
2022-07-27 11:18 ` Marc Zyngier
2022-07-27 12:10 ` Alexandru Elisei
2022-07-27 10:19 ` Alexandru Elisei
2022-07-27 10:29 ` Marc Zyngier
2022-07-27 10:44 ` Alexandru Elisei
2022-07-27 11:08 ` Marc Zyngier
2022-07-27 11:57 ` Alexandru Elisei
2022-07-27 15:15 ` Oliver Upton
2022-07-27 11:00 ` Alexandru Elisei
2022-08-01 17:00 ` Will Deacon
2022-08-02 9:49 ` Alexandru Elisei
2022-08-02 19:34 ` Oliver Upton
2022-08-09 14:01 ` Alexandru Elisei
2022-08-09 18:43 ` Oliver Upton
2022-08-10 9:37 ` Alexandru Elisei
2022-08-10 15:25 ` Oliver Upton
2022-08-12 13:05 ` Alexandru Elisei
2022-08-17 15:05 ` Oliver Upton
2022-09-12 14:50 ` Alexandru Elisei
2022-09-13 10:58 ` Oliver Upton
2022-09-13 12:41 ` Alexandru Elisei
2022-09-13 14:13 ` Oliver Upton
2023-01-03 14:26 ` Alexandru Elisei
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