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From: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
To: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
Cc: Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>, Peter Collingbourne <pcc@google.com>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andy Shevchenko <andy@kernel.org>,
	Andrey Konovalov <andreyknvl@gmail.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-hardening@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, stable@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] string: Disable read_word_at_a_time() optimizations if kernel MTE is enabled
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2025 18:40:11 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z88yC7Oaj9DGaswc@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Z88r5qFLOSo0itaq@J2N7QTR9R3.cambridge.arm.com>

On Mon, Mar 10, 2025 at 06:13:58PM +0000, Mark Rutland wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 10, 2025 at 05:37:50PM +0000, Catalin Marinas wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 07, 2025 at 07:36:31PM -0800, Kees Cook wrote:
> > > On Fri, Mar 07, 2025 at 06:33:13PM -0800, Peter Collingbourne wrote:
> > > > The optimized strscpy() and dentry_string_cmp() routines will read 8
> > > > unaligned bytes at a time via the function read_word_at_a_time(), but
> > > > this is incompatible with MTE which will fault on a partially invalid
> > > > read. The attributes on read_word_at_a_time() that disable KASAN are
> > > > invisible to the CPU so they have no effect on MTE. Let's fix the
> > > > bug for now by disabling the optimizations if the kernel is built
> > > > with HW tag-based KASAN and consider improvements for followup changes.
> > > 
> > > Why is faulting on a partially invalid read a problem? It's still
> > > invalid, so ... it should fault, yes? What am I missing?
> > 
> > read_word_at_a_time() is used to read 8 bytes, potentially unaligned and
> > beyond the end of string. The has_zero() function is then used to check
> > where the string ends. For this uses, I think we can go with
> > load_unaligned_zeropad() which handles a potential fault and pads the
> > rest with zeroes.
> 
> If we only care about synchronous and asymmetric modes, that should be
> possible, but that won't work in asynchronous mode. In asynchronous mode
> the fault will accumulate into TFSR and will be detected later
> asynchronously where it cannot be related to its source and fixed up.
> 
> That means that both read_word_at_a_time() and load_unaligned_zeropad()
> are dodgy in async mode.

load_unaligned_zeropad() has a __mte_enable_tco_async() call to set
PSTATE.TCO if in async mode, so that's covered. read_word_at_a_time() is
indeed busted and I've had Vincezo's patches for a couple of years
already, they just never made it to the list.

> Can we somehow hang this off ARCH_HAS_SUBPAGE_FAULTS?

We could, though that was mostly for user-space faults while in-kernel
we'd only need something similar if KASAN_HW_TAGS.

> ... and is there anything else that deliberately makes accesses that
> could straddle objects?

So far we only came across load_unaligned_zeropad() and
read_word_at_a_time(). I'm not aware of anything else.

-- 
Catalin


  reply	other threads:[~2025-03-10 18:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-03-08  2:33 [PATCH] string: Disable read_word_at_a_time() optimizations if kernel MTE is enabled Peter Collingbourne
2025-03-08  3:36 ` Kees Cook
2025-03-10 17:37   ` Catalin Marinas
2025-03-10 18:09     ` Kees Cook
2025-03-10 18:13     ` Mark Rutland
2025-03-10 18:40       ` Catalin Marinas [this message]
2025-03-10 19:37         ` Mark Rutland
2025-03-11 11:45           ` Catalin Marinas
2025-03-11 11:55             ` Mark Rutland
2025-03-18 21:41     ` Peter Collingbourne
2025-03-10 17:29 ` Catalin Marinas

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