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From: Oliver Upton <oliver.upton@linux.dev>
To: Shameer Kolothum <shameerali.kolothum.thodi@huawei.com>
Cc: kvmarm@lists.linux.dev, maz@kernel.org, catalin.marinas@arm.com,
	will@kernel.org, mark.rutland@arm.com, cohuck@redhat.com,
	eric.auger@redhat.com, yuzenghui@huawei.com,
	wangzhou1@hisilicon.com, jiangkunkun@huawei.com,
	jonathan.cameron@huawei.com, anthony.jebson@huawei.com,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linuxarm@huawei.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/6] KVM: arm64: Errata management for VM Live migration
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2024 10:07:24 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZwlbTCwoKQyh3vmF@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20241011075053.80540-1-shameerali.kolothum.thodi@huawei.com>

Hey Shameer,

Thank you for posting this series. This'll help might cross-host
migrations on arm64 a little less sketch :)

On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 08:50:47AM +0100, Shameer Kolothum wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On ARM64 platforms most of the errata workarounds are based on CPU
> MIDR/REVIDR values and a number of these workarounds need to be
> implemented by the Guest kernel as well. This creates a problem when
> Guest needs to be migrated to a platform that differs in these
> MIDR/REVIDR values even if the VMM can come up with a common minimum
> feature list for the Guest using the recently introduced "Writable
> ID registers" support.
> 
> (This is roughly based on a discussion I had with Marc and Oliver
> at KVM forum. Marc outlined his idea for a solution and this is an
> attempt to implement it. Thanks to both and I take all the blame
> if this is nowhere near what is intended/required)
> 
> This RFC proposes a solution to handle the above issue by introducing
> the following,
> 
> 1. A new VM IOCTL,
>    KVM_ARM_SET_MIGRN_TARGET_CPUS  _IOW(KVMIO,  0xb7, struct kvm_arm_migrn_cpus)
>    This can be used by the userspace(VMM) to set the target CPUs the
>    Guest will run in its lifetime. See patch #2
> 2. Add hypercall support for Guest kernel to retrieve any migration
>    errata bitmap(ARM_SMCCC_VENDOR_HYP_KVM_MIGRN_ERRATA)
>    The above will return the bitmaps in R0-R3 registers. See patch #4
> 3. The "capability" field in struct arm64_cpu_capabilities is a generated
>    one at present and may get renumbered or reordered. Hence, we can't use
>    this directly for migration errata bitmaps. Instead, introduced
>    "migartion_safe_cap", which has to be set statically for any
>    erratum that needs to be enabled and is safe for migration
>    purposes. See patches 3 & 6.
> 4. Rest of the patches includes the plumbing required to populate the
>    errata bitmap based on the target CPUs set by the VMM and update the
>    system_cap based on it.
> 
> ToDos:-
>   -We still need a way to  handle the error in setting the invariant
>    registers(MIDR/REVIDR/AIDR) during Guest migration. Perhaps we can
>    handle it in userspace?

This seems entirely reasonable.

There's nothing KVM can do to unilaterally prevent userspace from
migrating VMs between different implementations already, and the
invariance of MIDR/REVIDR is just a speed bump and not an outright
blocker.

Ultimately this is now a contract between the VMM and guest, so we may
as well let userspace advertise whatever implementation it wants in the
ID registers.


> Please take a look and let me know your thoughts.

Looking at the guest side of things, it'd be nice if we hide the entire
MIDR abstraction behind is_midr_in_range() et al and stop letting
callers provide the MIDR. Internally that can find the MIDR of the
current CPU or walk the array of MIDRs supplied by the hypervisor.

Beyond that, we probably need a way to clue in userspace on the game in
case it has some behaviors keyed off MIDR too.

-- 
Thanks,
Oliver


      parent reply	other threads:[~2024-10-11 17:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-11  7:50 [RFC PATCH 0/6] KVM: arm64: Errata management for VM Live migration Shameer Kolothum
2024-10-11  7:50 ` [RFC PATCH 1/6] arm64: Modify callback matches() fn to take a target info Shameer Kolothum
2024-10-11  7:50 ` [RFC PATCH 2/6] KVM: arm64: Add support for VMM to set migration target Shameer Kolothum
2024-10-11  7:50 ` [RFC PATCH 3/6] KVM: arm64: Introduce a helper to retrieve errata Shameer Kolothum
2024-10-11  7:50 ` [RFC PATCH 4/6] KVM: arm64: Add hypercall support for retrieving migration errata bitmap Shameer Kolothum
2024-10-11  7:50 ` [RFC PATCH 5/6] arm64: Use hypercall to check for any migration related errata Shameer Kolothum
2024-10-11  7:50 ` [RFC PATCH 6/6] arm64: errata: Set migration_safe_cap for MIDR based errata Shameer Kolothum
2024-10-11 10:37 ` [RFC PATCH 0/6] KVM: arm64: Errata management for VM Live migration Marc Zyngier
2024-10-11 10:57   ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
2024-10-11 11:43     ` Marc Zyngier
2024-10-11 15:11       ` Oliver Upton
2024-10-11 15:51         ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
2024-10-17 15:49           ` Cornelia Huck
2024-10-17 17:16             ` Eric Auger
2024-10-18  8:33               ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
2024-10-18 12:28                 ` Cornelia Huck
2024-10-18 13:17               ` Marc Zyngier
2024-10-18 18:52                 ` Oliver Upton
2024-10-22 10:58                   ` Cornelia Huck
2024-10-22 12:52                     ` Marc Zyngier
2024-10-11 13:17 ` Cornelia Huck
2024-10-11 13:24   ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
2024-10-11 14:14     ` Cornelia Huck
2024-10-11 17:07 ` Oliver Upton [this message]

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