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Howlett" , Mark Rutland , Jiri Slaby , linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, devicetree@vger.kernel.org, suzuki.poulose@arm.com Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 01/26] dt-bindings: interrupt-controller: Add Arm GICv5 Message-ID: References: <20250513-gicv5-host-v4-0-b36e9b15a6c3@kernel.org> <20250513-gicv5-host-v4-1-b36e9b15a6c3@kernel.org> <878qm7ec19.wl-maz@kernel.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <878qm7ec19.wl-maz@kernel.org> X-BeenThere: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: "linux-arm-kernel" Errors-To: linux-arm-kernel-bounces+linux-arm-kernel=archiver.kernel.org@lists.infradead.org On Wed, Jun 04, 2025 at 04:56:02PM +0100, Marc Zyngier wrote: > On Wed, 04 Jun 2025 08:24:38 +0100, > Lorenzo Pieralisi wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jun 03, 2025 at 02:11:34PM -0500, Rob Herring wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 3, 2025 at 10:37 AM Peter Maydell wrote: > > > > > > > > On Tue, 3 Jun 2025 at 16:15, Rob Herring wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 3, 2025 at 2:48 AM Lorenzo Pieralisi wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, May 29, 2025 at 02:17:26PM +0100, Peter Maydell wrote: > > > > > > > secure.txt says: > > > > > > > # The general principle of the naming scheme for Secure world bindings > > > > > > > # is that any property that needs a different value in the Secure world > > > > > > > # can be supported by prefixing the property name with "secure-". So for > > > > > > > # instance "secure-foo" would override "foo". > > > > > > > > > > Today I would say a 'secure-' prefix is a mistake. To my knowledge, > > > > > it's never been used anyways. But I don't have much visibility into > > > > > what secure world firmware is doing. > > > > > > > > QEMU uses it for communicating with the secure firmware if > > > > you run secure firmware on the virt board. It's done that > > > > since we introduced that binding. Indeed that use case is *why* > > > > the binding is there. It works fine for the intended purpose, > > > > which is "most devices are visible in both S and NS, but a few > > > > things are S only (UART, a bit of RAM, secure-only flash"). > > > > > > I meant "secure-" as a prefix allowed on *any* property, not > > > "secure-status" specifically, which is the only thing QEMU uses > > > AFAICT. IOW, I don't think we should be creating secure-reg, > > > secure-interrupts, secure-clocks, etc. > > > > Reading secure.txt, what does it mean "device present and usable in > > the secure world" ? > > > > So: > > > > status = "disabled" > > secure-status = "okay" > > > > basically means that the device in question allows secure-only MMIO > > access, is that what it says ? > > > > If that's the case and we really want to have all config frames > > in a single DT, would it be reasonable to have an IRS/ITS DT node > > per-frame ? > > > > Then yes, the secure- tag is not enough any longer (because we have to > > cope with 4 interrupt domains) but that's a separate problem - again, > > this would leave the current reviewed bindings unchanged. > > No, this is the same problem, and we need a way to address it. > "secure-*" doesn't cut it in a system with FEAT_RME, where resources > are only available to a single Physical Address Space (PAS). So we > need a way to qualify these resources with a PAS. Can I ask again what: status = "disabled" secure-status = "okay" for a device means in practice in the current bindings ? When I said "a separate problem", I meant that, extending secure- tag (that applies to the "status" property only) to cover other PASes is independent from the GICv5 binding *if* we define, for a single DT an eg IRS device per-PAS (with realm-status, root-status, describing what the reg property represents. Is that what secure-status does today ? Does it say "this device MMIO space is secure-only" ?). It does not look like there is much appetite for tagging the reg property either and making it GICv5 specific is a shortcut IMO. > Either that, or we have to restrict DT to describe the view of a > single PAS. Which Peter will understandably be unhappy about. Well, I listed a couple of options in this thread, let's try to converge. Thanks, Lorenzo