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From: Oliver Upton <oliver.upton@linux.dev>
To: Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>
Cc: Sascha Bischoff <Sascha.Bischoff@arm.com>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org"
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	"kvmarm@lists.linux.dev" <kvmarm@lists.linux.dev>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>, nd <nd@arm.com>,
	Joey Gouly <Joey.Gouly@arm.com>,
	Suzuki Poulose <Suzuki.Poulose@arm.com>,
	"yuzenghui@huawei.com" <yuzenghui@huawei.com>,
	"will@kernel.org" <will@kernel.org>,
	"tglx@linutronix.de" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"lpieralisi@kernel.org" <lpieralisi@kernel.org>,
	Timothy Hayes <Timothy.Hayes@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/5] KVM: arm64: gic-v5: Support GICv3 compat
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2025 05:37:37 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aFf5EYvF3NVr9MKm@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87a560ezpa.wl-maz@kernel.org>

On Sun, Jun 22, 2025 at 01:19:13PM +0100, Marc Zyngier wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 21:20:36 +0100,
> Oliver Upton <oliver.upton@linux.dev> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Sascha,
> > 
> > Thank you for posting this. Very excited to see the GICv5 enablement get
> > started.
> > 
> > On Fri, Jun 20, 2025 at 04:07:51PM +0000, Sascha Bischoff wrote:
> > > Add support for GICv3 compat mode (FEAT_GCIE_LEGACY) which allows a
> > > GICv5 host to run GICv3-based VMs. This change enables the
> > > VHE/nVHE/hVHE/protected modes, but does not support nested
> > > virtualization.
> > 
> > Can't we just load the shadow state into the compat VGICv3? I'm worried
> > this has sharp edges on the UAPI side as well as users wanting to
> > migrate VMs to new hardware.
> >
> > The guest hypervisor should only see GICv3-only or GICv5-only, we can
> > pretend FEAT_GCIE_LEGACY never existed :)
> 
> That's exactly what this does. And the only reason NV isn't supported
> yet is the current BET0 spec makes ICC_SRE_EL2 UNDEF at EL1 with NV,
> which breaks NV in a spectacular way.

Gee, I wonder how... :)

> This will be addressed in a future revision of the architecture, and
> no HW will actually be built with this defect. As such, there is no
> UAPI to break.

That's fine by me. TBH, when I left this comment I hadn't fully read the
patch yet and was more curious about the intent.

> > > +void __vgic_v3_compat_mode_disable(void)
> > > +{
> > > +	sysreg_clear_set_s(SYS_ICH_VCTLR_EL2, ICH_VCTLR_EL2_V3, 0);
> > > +	isb();
> > > +}
> > > +
> > 
> > It isn't clear to me what these ISBs are synchonizing against. AFAICT,
> > the whole compat thing is always visible and we can restore the rest of
> > the VGICv3 context before guaranteeing the enable bit has been observed.
> 
> No, some registers have a behaviour that is dependent on the status of
> the V3 bit (ICH_VMCR_EL2 being one), so that synchronisation is
> absolutely needed before accessing this register.

Yeah, I had followed up on this after reading the spec, modal registers
are great. Putting all the constituent registers together in the common
load/put helpers will clear that up.

> The disabling is probably the wrong way around though, and I'd expect
> the clearing of V3 to have an ISB *before* the write to the sysreg,
> 
> > Can we consolidate this into a single hyp call along with
> > __vgic_v3_*_vmcr_aprs()?
> 
> I agree that we should be able to move this to be driven by
> load/put entirely.
> 
> But we first need to fix the whole WFI sequencing first, because this
> is a bit of a train wreck at the moment (entering the WFI emulation
> results in *two* "put" sequences on the vgic, and exiting WFI results
> in two loads).

You're talking about the case where halt polling fails and we do a
put/load on the whole vCPU to schedule right? i.e. in addition to the
explicit put on the vgic for faithful emulation.

Thanks,
Oliver


  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-22 12:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-20 16:07 [PATCH 0/5] KVM: arm64: Enable GICv3 guests on GICv5 hosts using FEAT_GCIE_LEGACY Sascha Bischoff
2025-06-20 16:07 ` [PATCH 1/5] irqchip/gic-v5: Skip deactivate for forwarded PPI interrupts Sascha Bischoff
2025-06-23 15:21   ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2025-06-27  9:49     ` Sascha Bischoff
2025-06-20 16:07 ` [PATCH 4/5] KVM: arm64: gic-v5: Support GICv3 compat Sascha Bischoff
2025-06-20 20:20   ` Oliver Upton
2025-06-20 23:02     ` Oliver Upton
2025-06-23 13:11       ` Sascha Bischoff
2025-06-22 12:19     ` Marc Zyngier
2025-06-22 12:37       ` Oliver Upton [this message]
2025-06-23 13:02         ` Sascha Bischoff
2025-06-20 16:07 ` [PATCH 3/5] arm64/sysreg: Add ICH_VCTLR_EL2 Sascha Bischoff
2025-06-20 16:07 ` [PATCH 2/5] irqchip/gic-v5: Populate struct gic_kvm_info Sascha Bischoff
2025-06-23 15:14   ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2025-06-27  9:49     ` Sascha Bischoff
2025-06-20 16:07 ` [PATCH 5/5] KVM: arm64: gic-v5: Probe for GICv5 Sascha Bischoff
2025-06-20 20:25   ` Oliver Upton
2025-06-23 13:12     ` Sascha Bischoff

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