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From: Yeoreum Yun <yeoreum.yun@arm.com>
To: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
Cc: catalin.marinas@arm.com, broonie@kernel.org, maz@kernel.org,
	oliver.upton@linux.dev, joey.gouly@arm.com, james.morse@arm.com,
	ardb@kernel.org, scott@os.amperecomputing.com,
	suzuki.poulose@arm.com, yuzenghui@huawei.com,
	mark.rutland@arm.com, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	kvmarm@lists.linux.dev, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RESEND v7 6/6] arm64: futex: support futex with FEAT_LSUI
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2025 17:45:34 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aML8rpygzJhs/JQr@e129823.arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aMLpMBWtHDI9sPHK@willie-the-truck>

Hi Will,

> > Current futex atomic operations are implemented with ll/sc instructions
> > and clearing PSTATE.PAN.
> >
> > Since Armv9.6, FEAT_LSUI supplies not only load/store instructions but
> > also atomic operation for user memory access in kernel it doesn't need
> > to clear PSTATE.PAN bit anymore.
> >
> > With theses instructions some of futex atomic operations don't need to
> > be implmented with ldxr/stlxr pair instead can be implmented with
> > one atomic operation supplied by FEAT_LSUI.
> >
> > However, some of futex atomic operations still need to use ll/sc way
> > via ldtxr/stltxr supplied by FEAT_LSUI since there is no correspondant
> > atomic instruction or doesn't support word size operation.
> > (i.e) eor, cas{mb}t
> >
> > But It's good to work without clearing PSTATE.PAN bit.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Yeoreum Yun <yeoreum.yun@arm.com>
> > ---
> >  arch/arm64/include/asm/futex.h | 130 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-
> >  1 file changed, 129 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
> >
> > diff --git a/arch/arm64/include/asm/futex.h b/arch/arm64/include/asm/futex.h
> > index 22a6301a9f3d..ece35ca9b5d9 100644
> > --- a/arch/arm64/include/asm/futex.h
> > +++ b/arch/arm64/include/asm/futex.h
> > @@ -9,6 +9,8 @@
> >  #include <linux/uaccess.h>
> >  #include <linux/stringify.h>
> >
> > +#include <asm/alternative.h>
> > +#include <asm/alternative-macros.h>
> >  #include <asm/errno.h>
> >
> >  #define LLSC_MAX_LOOPS	128 /* What's the largest number you can think of? */
> > @@ -115,11 +117,137 @@ __llsc_futex_cmpxchg(u32 __user *uaddr, u32 oldval, u32 newval, u32 *oval)
> >  	return ret;
> >  }
> >
> > +#ifdef CONFIG_AS_HAS_LSUI
> > +
> > +#define __LSUI_PREAMBLE	".arch_extension lsui\n"
> > +
> > +#define LSUI_FUTEX_ATOMIC_OP(op, asm_op, mb)				\
> > +static __always_inline int						\
> > +__lsui_futex_atomic_##op(int oparg, u32 __user *uaddr, int *oval)	\
> > +{									\
> > +	int ret = 0;							\
> > +	int oldval;							\
> > +									\
> > +	uaccess_ttbr0_enable();						\
> > +	asm volatile("// __lsui_futex_atomic_" #op "\n"			\
> > +	__LSUI_PREAMBLE							\
> > +"1:	" #asm_op #mb "	%w3, %w2, %1\n"					\
> > +"2:\n"									\
> > +	_ASM_EXTABLE_UACCESS_ERR(1b, 2b, %w0)				\
> > +	: "+r" (ret), "+Q" (*uaddr), "=r" (oldval)			\
> > +	: "r" (oparg)							\
> > +	: "memory");							\
> > +	uaccess_ttbr0_disable();					\
> > +									\
> > +	if (!ret)							\
> > +		*oval = oldval;						\
> > +									\
> > +	return ret;							\
> > +}
> > +
> > +LSUI_FUTEX_ATOMIC_OP(add, ldtadd, al)
> > +LSUI_FUTEX_ATOMIC_OP(or, ldtset, al)
> > +LSUI_FUTEX_ATOMIC_OP(andnot, ldtclr, al)
> > +LSUI_FUTEX_ATOMIC_OP(set, swpt, al)
> > +
> > +static __always_inline int
> > +__lsui_futex_atomic_and(int oparg, u32 __user *uaddr, int *oval)
> > +{
> > +	return __lsui_futex_atomic_andnot(~oparg, uaddr, oval);
> > +}
> > +
> > +static __always_inline int
> > +__lsui_futex_atomic_eor(int oparg, u32 __user *uaddr, int *oval)
> > +{
> > +	unsigned int loops = LLSC_MAX_LOOPS;
> > +	int ret, oldval, tmp;
> > +
> > +	uaccess_ttbr0_enable();
> > +	/*
> > +	 * there are no ldteor/stteor instructions...
> > +	 */
>
> *sigh*
>
> Were these new instructions not added with futex in mind?

rather than the futex, this seems to be designed for atomic_op()...
(like user version of LSE)...

That's why it seems no "eor" for this...

> I wonder whether CAS would be better than exclusives for xor...
>
> > +static __always_inline int
> > +__lsui_futex_cmpxchg(u32 __user *uaddr, u32 oldval, u32 newval, u32 *oval)
> > +{
> > +	int ret = 0;
> > +	unsigned int loops = LLSC_MAX_LOOPS;
> > +	u32 val, tmp;
> > +
> > +	uaccess_ttbr0_enable();
> > +	/*
> > +	 * cas{al}t doesn't support word size...
> > +	 */
>
> What about just aligning down and doing a 64-bit cas in that case?

Though it applies with cas{al}t applying to
futex_eor() and futex_cmpxchg(), I think it still need to compare with
old value is the same at the time of load. that means the routine will
be the same for LLSC way like:

again:
   oldval = uaddr;
   oldval2 = oldval
   cas uaddr, oldval2, newval
   if (oldval != oldval2)
     goto again;

with the CAS feature, try cmpxchg if old was different,
returns -EAGAIN immediately seems not the same beheavior with
former __llsc_futext_atomic_op().

This patch's intension is "not to change former beheavior"
but removing change of PSTATE only.

If this beheavior change is allowed,
I'll replace them with CAS one with delight :

Thanks!

--
Sincerely,
Yeoreum Yun


  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-11 16:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-16 15:19 [PATCH RESEND v7 0/6] support FEAT_LSUI and apply it on futex atomic ops Yeoreum Yun
2025-08-16 15:19 ` [PATCH RESEND v7 1/6] arm64: cpufeature: add FEAT_LSUI Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-12 16:12   ` Catalin Marinas
2025-08-16 15:19 ` [PATCH RESEND v7 2/6] KVM: arm64: expose FEAT_LSUI to guest Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-12 16:25   ` Catalin Marinas
2025-08-16 15:19 ` [PATCH RESEND v7 3/6] arm64: Kconfig: add LSUI Kconfig Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-12 16:24   ` Catalin Marinas
2025-09-15 10:42     ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-15 11:32       ` Will Deacon
2025-09-15 11:41         ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-08-16 15:19 ` [PATCH RESEND v7 4/6] arm64: futex: refactor futex atomic operation Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-11 15:38   ` Will Deacon
2025-09-11 16:04     ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-12 16:44   ` Catalin Marinas
2025-09-12 17:01     ` Catalin Marinas
2025-09-15 10:39     ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-12 16:53   ` Catalin Marinas
2025-09-15 10:32     ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-15 19:40       ` Catalin Marinas
2025-09-15 20:35         ` Will Deacon
2025-09-16  7:02           ` Catalin Marinas
2025-09-16  9:15             ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-16  9:24               ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-16 10:02             ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-16 10:16               ` Will Deacon
2025-09-16 12:50                 ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-17  9:32                   ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-16 12:47               ` Mark Rutland
2025-09-16 13:27                 ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-16 13:45                   ` Mark Rutland
2025-09-16 13:58                     ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-16 14:07                       ` Mark Rutland
2025-09-16 14:15                         ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-15 22:34         ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-16 12:53           ` Catalin Marinas
2025-08-16 15:19 ` [PATCH v7 RESEND 5/6] arm64: futex: small optimisation for __llsc_futex_atomic_set() Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-11 15:28   ` Will Deacon
2025-09-11 16:19     ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-12 16:36       ` Catalin Marinas
2025-09-15 10:41         ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-08-16 15:19 ` [PATCH RESEND v7 6/6] arm64: futex: support futex with FEAT_LSUI Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-11 15:22   ` Will Deacon
2025-09-11 16:45     ` Yeoreum Yun [this message]
2025-09-12 17:16     ` Catalin Marinas
2025-09-15  9:15       ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-12 17:09   ` Catalin Marinas
2025-09-15  8:24     ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-01 10:06 ` [PATCH RESEND v7 0/6] support FEAT_LSUI and apply it on futex atomic ops Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-11 15:09 ` Will Deacon
2025-09-11 16:22   ` Catalin Marinas
2025-09-15 20:37     ` Will Deacon

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