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From: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
Cc: Mostafa Saleh <smostafa@google.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kvmarm@lists.linux.dev,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, iommu@lists.linux.dev,
	maz@kernel.org, oliver.upton@linux.dev, joey.gouly@arm.com,
	suzuki.poulose@arm.com, yuzenghui@huawei.com,
	catalin.marinas@arm.com, robin.murphy@arm.com,
	jean-philippe@linaro.org, qperret@google.com, tabba@google.com,
	mark.rutland@arm.com, praan@google.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 22/28] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Emulate CMDQ for host
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2025 16:25:35 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aMrS71vQ_MaVonzi@willie-the-truck> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250917151612.GH1326709@ziepe.ca>

On Wed, Sep 17, 2025 at 12:16:12PM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 17, 2025 at 04:01:34PM +0100, Will Deacon wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 17, 2025 at 09:36:01AM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > > On Tue, Sep 16, 2025 at 03:19:02PM +0000, Mostafa Saleh wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I think the fix for the problem Will mentioned is to just use CMOs
> > > > before accessing the host structures, so that should be simple.
> > > > If it turns to be more complicated, I am happy to drop the support
> > > > for non-coherent devices from this series and we can add it later.
> > > 
> > > I feel like it is easier/better to fix the driver to use cachable
> > > memory than to add CMOs to the pkvm side..
> > 
> > Hmm, but for non-coherent SMMU hardware (which sadly exists in
> > production), I don't think there's a way for firmware to tell the driver
> > that it needs to issue CMOs for the page-tables and the CDs but not the
> > other in-memory data structures (e.g. STEs). I suppose we could do it in
> > some pKVM-specific way, but then that's not really helping anybody else.
> 
> Not sure I understand?
> 
> I mean to issue CMOs in the smmu driver consistently for everthing,
> page table, CD entry, STE, etc. Today it only does it for page table.
> 
> Make the driver consistently use cachable memory for everything
> instead of having two different ways to deal with incoherent HW.

Ah right, so the driver would unnecessarily issue CMOs for the structures
that are just shared with the hypervisor. At least it's _functional_ that
way, but I'm sure people will complain!

Will


  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-17 15:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-19 21:51 [PATCH v4 00/28] KVM: arm64: SMMUv3 driver for pKVM (trap and emulate) Mostafa Saleh
2025-08-19 21:51 ` [PATCH v4 01/28] KVM: arm64: Add a new function to donate memory with prot Mostafa Saleh
2025-09-09 13:46   ` Will Deacon
2025-09-14 19:23     ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2025-09-16 11:58       ` Mostafa Saleh
2025-09-16 11:56     ` Mostafa Saleh
2025-08-19 21:51 ` [PATCH v4 02/28] KVM: arm64: Donate MMIO to the hypervisor Mostafa Saleh
2025-09-09 14:12   ` Will Deacon
2025-09-16 13:27     ` Mostafa Saleh
2025-09-26 14:33       ` Will Deacon
2025-09-29 10:57         ` Mostafa Saleh
2025-09-14 20:41   ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2025-09-16 13:43     ` Mostafa Saleh
2025-08-19 21:51 ` [PATCH v4 03/28] KVM: arm64: pkvm: Add pkvm_time_get() Mostafa Saleh
2025-09-09 14:16   ` Will Deacon
2025-09-09 15:56     ` Marc Zyngier
2025-09-15 11:10       ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2025-09-16 14:04       ` Mostafa Saleh
2025-08-19 21:51 ` [PATCH v4 04/28] iommu/io-pgtable-arm: Move selftests to a separate file Mostafa Saleh
2025-09-15 14:37   ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2025-09-16 14:07     ` Mostafa Saleh
2025-09-15 16:45   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-16 14:09     ` Mostafa Saleh
2025-08-19 21:51 ` [PATCH v4 05/28] iommu/io-pgtable-arm: Factor kernel specific code out Mostafa Saleh
2025-08-19 21:51 ` [PATCH v4 06/28] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Split code with hyp Mostafa Saleh
2025-09-09 14:23   ` Will Deacon
2025-09-16 14:10     ` Mostafa Saleh
2025-08-19 21:51 ` [PATCH v4 07/28] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Move TLB range invalidation into a macro Mostafa Saleh
2025-09-09 14:25   ` Will Deacon
2025-08-19 21:51 ` [PATCH v4 08/28] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Move IDR parsing to common functions Mostafa Saleh
2025-08-19 21:51 ` [PATCH v4 09/28] KVM: arm64: iommu: Introduce IOMMU driver infrastructure Mostafa Saleh
2025-08-19 21:51 ` [PATCH v4 10/28] KVM: arm64: iommu: Shadow host stage-2 page table Mostafa Saleh
2025-09-09 14:42   ` Will Deacon
2025-09-16 14:24     ` Mostafa Saleh
2025-09-26 14:42       ` Will Deacon
2025-09-29 11:01         ` Mostafa Saleh
2025-09-30 12:38           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-30 12:55             ` Mostafa Saleh
2025-08-19 21:51 ` [PATCH v4 11/28] KVM: arm64: iommu: Add memory pool Mostafa Saleh
2025-08-19 21:51 ` [PATCH v4 12/28] KVM: arm64: iommu: Support DABT for IOMMU Mostafa Saleh
2025-08-19 21:51 ` [PATCH v4 13/28] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Add SMMUv3 driver Mostafa Saleh
2025-08-19 21:51 ` [PATCH v4 14/28] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Add KVM mode in the driver Mostafa Saleh
2025-09-12 13:52   ` Will Deacon
2025-09-16 14:30     ` Mostafa Saleh
2025-08-19 21:51 ` [PATCH v4 15/28] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Load the driver later in KVM mode Mostafa Saleh
2025-09-12 13:54   ` Will Deacon
2025-09-23 14:35     ` Mostafa Saleh
2025-09-23 17:38       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-29 11:10         ` Mostafa Saleh
2025-10-02 15:13           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-05 16:40             ` Mostafa Saleh
2025-11-05 17:12               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-06 11:06                 ` Mostafa Saleh
2025-11-06 13:23                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-06 16:54                     ` Mostafa Saleh
2025-11-06 17:16                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-19 21:51 ` [PATCH v4 16/28] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Create array for hyp SMMUv3 Mostafa Saleh
2025-09-09 18:30   ` Daniel Mentz
2025-09-16 14:35     ` Mostafa Saleh
2025-08-19 21:51 ` [PATCH v4 17/28] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Take over SMMUs Mostafa Saleh
2025-08-19 21:51 ` [PATCH v4 18/28] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Probe SMMU HW Mostafa Saleh
2025-08-19 21:51 ` [PATCH v4 19/28] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Add MMIO emulation Mostafa Saleh
2025-08-19 21:51 ` [PATCH v4 20/28] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Shadow the command queue Mostafa Saleh
2025-08-19 21:51 ` [PATCH v4 21/28] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Add CMDQ functions Mostafa Saleh
2025-08-19 21:51 ` [PATCH v4 22/28] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Emulate CMDQ for host Mostafa Saleh
2025-09-12 14:18   ` Will Deacon
2025-09-15 16:38     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-16 15:19       ` Mostafa Saleh
2025-09-17 12:36         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-17 15:01           ` Will Deacon
2025-09-17 15:16             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-17 15:25               ` Will Deacon [this message]
2025-09-17 15:59                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-18 10:26                   ` Will Deacon
2025-09-18 14:36                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-16 14:50     ` Mostafa Saleh
2025-08-19 21:51 ` [PATCH v4 23/28] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Shadow stream table Mostafa Saleh
2025-08-19 21:51 ` [PATCH v4 24/28] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Shadow STEs Mostafa Saleh
2025-08-19 21:51 ` [PATCH v4 25/28] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Emulate GBPA Mostafa Saleh
2025-08-19 21:51 ` [PATCH v4 26/28] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Support io-pgtable Mostafa Saleh
2025-08-19 21:51 ` [PATCH v4 27/28] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Shadow the CPU stage-2 page table Mostafa Saleh
2025-08-19 21:51 ` [PATCH v4 28/28] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Enable nesting Mostafa Saleh

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