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From: "Russell King (Oracle)" <linux@armlinux.org.uk>
To: Xie Yuanbin <xieyuanbin1@huawei.com>
Cc: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk,
	will@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] ARM: fix hash_name() and branch predictor issues
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2025 16:47:24 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aTcBHKFDBkSEp5mi@shell.armlinux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aTb19aN_8PNduyDY@shell.armlinux.org.uk>

On Mon, Dec 08, 2025 at 03:59:49PM +0000, Russell King (Oracle) wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 08, 2025 at 11:08:40PM +0800, Xie Yuanbin wrote:
> > On Mon, 8 Dec 2025 12:34:27 +0000, Russell King wrote:
> > > The first patch adds an additional check in __do_kernel_fault() to
> > > detect this condition. This patch is a non-obvious dependency for the
> > > next patch.
> > >
> > > The second patch handles faults above the top of userspace entirely
> > > separately, meaning we have a simpler and more obvious fault path,
> > > which avoids any possibility of taking any MM mutexes, which is the
> > > cause of the hash_name() problem.
> > >
> > > The third patch moves harden_branch_predictor() out of
> > > __do_user_fault() and to appropriate places in the parent functions.
> > > The reason this has been avoided thus far is because do_page_fault()
> > > can be a hot path (since it's used for page aging as well) but with
> > > kernel address faults being handled by an entirely separate path,
> > > this avoids adding to that overhead.
> > 
> > I don't have any objections to the first and second patches. However,
> > for the third patch, I feel it complicates some things. It removes
> > harden_branch_predictor() from __do_user_fault() and adds it to various
> > previous calling points.
> > 
> > This seems to be solely for adapting to the scenario of do_alignment() &&
> > user_mode(regs) && addr >= TASK_SIZE. Does this scenario really exist?
> 
> As explained in the other thread, alignment faults are the first thing
> that are checked when enabled, before permission fauls, so we can end
> up entering do_alignment() from userspace with an address in the
> kernel address space.
> 
> However, there is a user accessible page above TASK_SIZE, that is the
> vectors page which can have userspace helpers in. Userspace can read
> from this page, and thus can perform unaligned loads to this page.
> 
> The system behaviour of unaligned loads has been configurable, ARMv4,
> for example, had the ability to check for alignment faults and raise
> this exception. If that was disabled, then unaligned loads would
> load the equivalent 32-bit aligned address and rotate the data in
> the register. Compilers knew about this, and would code for it,
> which made it ABI. Later compilers stopped using that which cut down
> on the unaligned loads that userspace issued. Modern CPUs (ARMv7)
> tend to behave "sanely" in that unaligned loads are generally
> supported in hardware.

Also, would you mind giving ASAP some tested-by/reviewed-by for these
patches so they can be pushed out to linux-next for a bit of testing
there pelase? I'm on vacation from Thursday, so time is very short
to get these out - if we're not ready by Wednesday, then it'll be the
new year, possibly after the 11th January, before I can do anything
further (medical stuff.)

Thanks.

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  reply	other threads:[~2025-12-08 16:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-12-08 12:34 [PATCH 0/3] ARM: fix hash_name() and branch predictor issues Russell King (Oracle)
2025-12-08 12:34 ` [PATCH 1/3] ARM: allow __do_kernel_fault() to report execution of memory faults Russell King (Oracle)
2025-12-09  4:02   ` Xie Yuanbin
2025-12-09  8:43     ` Russell King (Oracle)
2025-12-08 12:34 ` [PATCH 2/3] ARM: fix hash_name() fault Russell King (Oracle)
2025-12-08 12:35 ` [PATCH 3/3] ARM: fix branch predictor hardening Russell King (Oracle)
2025-12-08 15:08 ` [PATCH 0/3] ARM: fix hash_name() and branch predictor issues Xie Yuanbin
2025-12-08 15:59   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2025-12-08 16:47     ` Russell King (Oracle) [this message]
2025-12-09  2:52       ` Xie Yuanbin
2025-12-09  8:56       ` Xie Yuanbin
2025-12-09  8:59         ` Russell King (Oracle)
2025-12-09  9:09           ` Xie Yuanbin
2025-12-10  9:08         ` Xie Yuanbin
2025-12-10 15:11           ` Russell King (Oracle)
2025-12-11  4:07             ` Xie Yuanbin
2025-12-09  2:15     ` Xie Yuanbin

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