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From: Sudeep Holla <sudeep.holla@arm.com>
To: Dmitry Baryshkov <dmitry.baryshkov@oss.qualcomm.com>
Cc: Satya Durga Srinivasu Prabhala <satya.prabhala@oss.qualcomm.com>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Sudeep Holla <sudeep.holla@arm.com>,
	Lorenzo Pieralisi <lpieralisi@kernel.org>,
	linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, trilok.soni@oss.qualcomm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] firmware: smccc: default ARM_SMCCC_SOC_ID to disabled
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2026 21:03:27 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aWgEn4GmKwUOjNPe@bogus> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7jhqea42453esyx4sv3okowy7jrdcrd4sxjpm4t2snsyi3nfl4@ieja4c4q3jj5>

On Wed, Jan 14, 2026 at 09:37:24PM +0200, Dmitry Baryshkov wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 14, 2026 at 10:04:21AM -0800, Satya Durga Srinivasu Prabhala wrote:
> > Hello Dmitry,
> > 
> > On 1/13/2026 3:25 AM, Dmitry Baryshkov wrote:
> > > On Mon, Jan 12, 2026 at 10:24:06PM -0800, Satya Durga Srinivasu Prabhala wrote:
> > > > The ARM SMCCC SoC ID driver is currently enabled by default and publishes
> > > > SMCCC-provided SoC identification into /sys/bus/soc/devices/socX/*.
> > > > 
> > > > On platforms where a vendor SoC driver already exposes widely-consumed
> > > > attributes (e.g. Qualcomm socinfo [1]), enabling the SMCCC driver changes
> > > > the format of /sys/devices/soc0/soc_id (e.g. "jep106:XXYY:ZZZZ" instead
> > > > of a vendor logical ID like "519") and breaks existing userspace consumers.
> > > > 
> > > > Flip the default of CONFIG_ARM_SMCCC_SOC_ID from y to n. Platforms that
> > > > prefer SMCCC over a vendor driver can explicitly enable it.
> > > NAK, the userspace should not depend on the exact kernel configuration.
> > > Consider working with distribution kernels, which would enable this
> > > driver anyway.
> > As I mentioned in the other replies, vendor interface exists before the
> > standard
> > interface and user space heavily relies on soc0 already. If not disabling
> > the
> > SMCCC SOC ID by default. I believe, we should  at-least have a way to make
> > sure vendors can disable SMCCC SOC ID by some means or have vendor
> > interface takes precedence.
> 
> Please correct me if I'm wrong, what do you observe? SMCCC device on
> soc0 and qcom_socinfo at soc1?
> 
> In such a case the ABI file, Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-devices-soc clearly
> defines that there might be several different SoC devices (identified by
> different drivers, etc). If the userspace depends on qcom_socinfo device
> being soc0, then the userspace is broken.
> 
> Last, but not least, the soc_id format is documented in the ABI
> document. It is clearly allowed to have jep106 format in the soc_id. So,
> I think, you have two options: disable SMCCC 1.2+ in the firmware or
> adapt the userspace. You can't control e.g. the kernel that will be
> running on your platform (it very well can be a standard distro kernel
> from Debian, Ubuntu or Fedora, which obviously will have that driver
> enabled).
> 

Completely agree to all the points made here.

-- 
Regards,
Sudeep


  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-14 21:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-13  6:24 [PATCH] firmware: smccc: default ARM_SMCCC_SOC_ID to disabled Satya Durga Srinivasu Prabhala
2026-01-13  8:04 ` Mukesh Ojha
2026-01-14 21:07   ` Sudeep Holla
2026-01-13 10:57 ` Will Deacon
2026-01-14 16:58   ` Satya Durga Srinivasu Prabhala
2026-01-14 21:13     ` Sudeep Holla
2026-01-13 11:25 ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-01-14 18:04   ` Satya Durga Srinivasu Prabhala
2026-01-14 19:37     ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-01-14 21:03       ` Sudeep Holla [this message]
2026-01-15 20:14       ` Satya Durga Srinivasu Prabhala
2026-01-15 20:40         ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-01-13 12:29 ` Sudeep Holla
2026-01-14 16:50   ` Satya Durga Srinivasu Prabhala
2026-01-14 21:01     ` Sudeep Holla
2026-01-15 18:42       ` Satya Durga Srinivasu Prabhala
2026-01-15 20:18         ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-01-15 23:51           ` Satya Durga Srinivasu Prabhala
2026-01-16  0:01           ` Bjorn Andersson
2026-01-16 10:39         ` Sudeep Holla
2026-01-16 20:53           ` Satya Durga Srinivasu Prabhala
2026-01-16 23:53             ` Trilok Soni
2026-01-17 21:43               ` Bjorn Andersson
2026-01-18 14:31               ` Sudeep Holla
2026-01-18 21:16                 ` Bjorn Andersson
2026-01-19 14:53                   ` Sudeep Holla
2026-01-19 16:44                     ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-01-19 16:56                       ` Sudeep Holla
2026-01-19 17:20                         ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-01-19 17:25                           ` Bjorn Andersson
2026-01-19 19:46                             ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-01-19 20:25                               ` Bjorn Andersson
2026-01-19 17:21                     ` Bjorn Andersson
2026-01-20 17:47                       ` Sudeep Holla
2026-01-17 21:51             ` Bjorn Andersson
2026-01-14 17:12 ` Neil Armstrong
2026-01-14 21:06   ` Sudeep Holla
2026-01-15 20:24   ` Satya Durga Srinivasu Prabhala

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