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X-OriginatorOrg: arm.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jan 2026 16:52:49.3065 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: ae826301-c187-467c-97a3-08de590d829f X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Id: f34e5979-57d9-4aaa-ad4d-b122a662184d X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-OriginalAttributedTenantConnectingIp: TenantId=f34e5979-57d9-4aaa-ad4d-b122a662184d;Ip=[4.158.2.129];Helo=[outbound-uk1.az.dlp.m.darktrace.com] X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: DB1PEPF000509ED.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Anonymous X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: HybridOnPrem X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: PAWPR08MB10947 X-CRM114-Version: 20100106-BlameMichelson ( TRE 0.8.0 (BSD) ) MR-646709E3 X-CRM114-CacheID: sfid-20260121_085257_075329_C539DB91 X-CRM114-Status: GOOD ( 20.54 ) X-BeenThere: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: "linux-arm-kernel" Errors-To: linux-arm-kernel-bounces+linux-arm-kernel=archiver.kernel.org@lists.infradead.org On Wed, Jan 21, 2026 at 04:36:26PM +0000, Will Deacon wrote: > On Wed, Jan 21, 2026 at 04:31:28PM +0000, Yeoreum Yun wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2026 at 04:20:36PM +0000, Will Deacon wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2026 at 02:51:10PM +0000, Yeoreum Yun wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Jan 20, 2026 at 05:59:47PM +0000, Yeoreum Yun wrote: > > > > > > On second thought, while a CPU that implements LSUI is unlikely to > > > > > > support AArch32 compatibility, > > > > > > I don't think LSUI requires the absence of AArch32. > > > > > > These two are independent features (and in fact our FVP reports/supports both). > > > > > > > > > > Did you have to configure the FVP specially for this or that a "default" > > > > > configuration? > > > > > > > > > > > Given that, I'm not sure a WARN is really necessary. > > > > > > Would it be sufficient to just drop the patch for swpX instead? > > > > > > > > > > Given that the whole point of LSUI is to remove the PAN toggling, I think > > > > > we should make an effort to make sure that we don't retain PAN toggling > > > > > paths at runtime that could potentially be targetted by attackers. If we > > > > > drop the SWP emulation patch and then see that we have AArch32 at runtime, > > > > > we should forcefully disable the SWP emulation but, since we don't actually > > > > > think we're going to see this in practice, the WARN seemed simpler. > > > > > > > > TBH, I missed the FVP configuration option clusterX.max_32bit_el, which > > > > can disable AArch32 support by setting it to -1 (default: 3). > > > > Given this, I think it’s reasonable to emit a WARN when LSUI is enabled and > > > > drop the SWP emulation path under that condition. > > > > > > I'm asking about the default value. > > > > > > If Arm are going to provide models that default to having both LSUI and > > > AArch32 EL0 supported, then the WARN is just going to annoy people. > > > > > > Please can you find out whether or not that's the case? > > > > Yes. I said the deafult == 3 which means that allow to execute > > 32-bit in EL0 to EL3 (IOW, ID_AA64PFR0_EL1.EL0 == 0b0010) > > -- but sorry for lack of explanation. > > > > When I check the latest model's default option value related for this > > based on FVP version 11.30 > > (https://developer.arm.com/Tools%20and%20Software/Fixed%20Virtual%20Platforms/Arm%20Architecture%20FVPs), > > > > - cluster0.has_lsui=1 default = '0x1' : Implement additional load and store unprivileged instructions (FEAT_LSUI). > > - cluster0.max_32bit_el=3 default = '0x3' : Maximum exception level supporting AArch32 modes. -1: No Support for A32 at any EL, x:[0:3] - All the levels below supplied ELx supports A32 : [0xffffffffffffffff:0x3] > > > > So it would be a annoying to people. > > Right, so you can probably do something like setting the 'status' > field of 'insn_swp' to INSN_UNAVAILABLE if we detect LSUI. Thanks for your suggestion. That would be good. -- Sincerely, Yeoreum Yun