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From: Alexandru Elisei <alexandru.elisei@arm.com>
To: Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>
Cc: kvmarm@lists.linux.dev, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	Joey Gouly <joey.gouly@arm.com>,
	Suzuki K Poulose <suzuki.poulose@arm.com>,
	Oliver Upton <oupton@kernel.org>,
	Zenghui Yu <yuzenghui@huawei.com>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Quentin Perret <qperret@google.com>,
	Fuad Tabba <tabba@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/6] KVM: arm64: ... and FWB for all
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2026 15:17:15 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aXOQ-3M7d2wSsAq-@raptor> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <86pl70bj42.wl-maz@kernel.org>

Hi Marc,

On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 12:37:17PM +0000, Marc Zyngier wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Jan 2026 12:22:58 +0000,
> Alexandru Elisei <alexandru.elisei@arm.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Marc,
> > 
> > On Mon, Jan 19, 2026 at 10:56:45AM +0000, Marc Zyngier wrote:
> > > [Yes, you can tell what I was listening to]
> > > 
> > > Today, running in protected mode puts the host under it's own S2 with
> > > FWB=0, even if the rest of the guests are running with FWB=1. The
> > > rationale for this special-casing of the host is that we want the
> > > combined attributes to actually reflect the ones exposed by S1.
> > > 
> > > We therefore use NormalCacheable (which is the weakest memory type) as
> > > the default attributes at S2 so that S1 can only strengthen the final
> > > memory type.
> > > 
> > > But there is no reason why we cannot achieve the same effect with
> > > FWB. We normally use FWB to enforce cacheable memory from S2,
> > > irrespective of S1. But it is possible to configure the S2 attributes
> > > as "pass-through", so that the S1 attributes are always used.
> > 
> > Would you mind clarifying why FWB is preferable? Is it so that pkvm uses
> > the same approach for configuring stage 2 for the host as for a guest? Or
> > is it something else?
> 
> Having only one attribute encoding scheme to think about on a given
> machine is vastly preferable, specially when you are debugging.
> Additionally, FWB==0 may not be with us forever.

Got it, thanks for the explanation!

Thanks,
Alex


      reply	other threads:[~2026-01-23 15:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-19 10:56 [PATCH 0/6] KVM: arm64: ... and FWB for all Marc Zyngier
2026-01-19 10:56 ` [PATCH 1/6] arm64: Add MT_S2{,_FWB}_AS_S1 encodings Marc Zyngier
2026-01-22 15:07   ` Fuad Tabba
2026-01-19 10:56 ` [PATCH 2/6] KVM: arm64: Add KVM_PGTABLE_S2_AS_S1 flag Marc Zyngier
2026-01-22 15:08   ` Fuad Tabba
2026-01-22 17:05     ` Will Deacon
2026-01-19 10:56 ` [PATCH 3/6] KVM: arm64: Make stage2_pte_cacheable() return false when S2_AS_S1 is set Marc Zyngier
2026-01-22 15:04   ` Will Deacon
2026-01-23 13:21     ` Marc Zyngier
2026-01-19 10:56 ` [PATCH 4/6] KVM: arm64: Switch pKVM host S2 over to KVM_PGTABLE_S2_AS_S1 Marc Zyngier
2026-01-22 15:09   ` Fuad Tabba
2026-01-19 10:56 ` [PATCH 5/6] KVM: arm64: Kill KVM_PGTABLE_S2_NOFWB Marc Zyngier
2026-01-22 15:09   ` Fuad Tabba
2026-01-19 10:56 ` [PATCH 6/6] KVM: arm64: Simplify PAGE_S2_MEMATTR Marc Zyngier
2026-01-22 15:03   ` Will Deacon
2026-01-21 16:23 ` [PATCH 0/6] KVM: arm64: ... and FWB for all Joey Gouly
2026-01-21 18:13 ` Fuad Tabba
2026-01-23 12:22 ` Alexandru Elisei
2026-01-23 12:37   ` Marc Zyngier
2026-01-23 15:17     ` Alexandru Elisei [this message]

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