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From: Yeoreum Yun <yeoreum.yun@arm.com>
To: Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>,
	roberto.sassu@huawei.com, Jonathan McDowell <noodles@earth.li>,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, kvmarm@lists.linux.dev,
	jmorris@namei.org, serge@hallyn.com, dmitry.kasatkin@gmail.com,
	eric.snowberg@oracle.com, jarkko@kernel.org, jgg@ziepe.ca,
	sudeep.holla@kernel.org, maz@kernel.org, oupton@kernel.org,
	joey.gouly@arm.com, suzuki.poulose@arm.com, yuzenghui@huawei.com,
	catalin.marinas@arm.com, will@kernel.org, noodles@meta.com,
	sebastianene@google.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 1/4] security: ima: call ima_init() again at late_initcall_sync for defered TPM
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2026 05:53:20 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aexIwJpno3iPIdRD@e129823.arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <014cf39aa8d6a0bcfa1a95c069675977ac67b843.camel@linux.ibm.com>

[...]
> > I understand the need to ensure that the TPM is available, but if it
> > isn't safe to wait to initialize IMA at late_initcall_sync() then it
> > would seem like this is a bad option and we need another mechanism to
> > synchronize IMA with TPM devices.  If it is safe to initalize IMA in
> > late_initcall_sync(), just do that and be done with it.
>
> Within the same initcall level there is no way of ordering the initialization.
> Yeorum attempted to address the ordering issue in commit 0e0546eabcd6
> ("firmware: arm_ffa: Change initcall level of ffa_init() to rootfs_initcall"),
> which is being reverted in this patch set.
>
> Ordering within an initcall level needs to be fixed, but for now retrying at
> late_initcall_sync works for some, hopefully most, cases.

Ordering within an initcall level is not good idea.

Though it came to my mind first long ago,
It also goes against existing mechanisms like deferred probe, and
can cause the driver model’s dependency handling to harden
in the wrong direction. So this I think it wouldn't be an option.

--
Sincerely,
Yeoreum Yun


  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-04-25  4:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-22 16:24 [RFC PATCH v2 0/4] fix FF-A call failed with pKVM when ff-a driver is built-in Yeoreum Yun
2026-04-22 16:24 ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/4] security: ima: call ima_init() again at late_initcall_sync for defered TPM Yeoreum Yun
2026-04-22 17:20   ` Mimi Zohar
2026-04-22 18:46     ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-04-22 19:41       ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-04-22 21:20         ` Mimi Zohar
2026-04-23  5:55           ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-04-23 11:01             ` Mimi Zohar
2026-04-23 11:20               ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-04-23 12:34                 ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-04-23 12:53                   ` Jonathan McDowell
2026-04-23 13:07                     ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-04-23 13:43                     ` Mimi Zohar
2026-04-23 13:55                       ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-04-23 14:03                         ` Jonathan McDowell
2026-04-23 14:33                           ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-04-23 18:01                             ` Mimi Zohar
2026-04-23 18:13                               ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-04-24  1:27                                 ` Paul Moore
2026-04-24  5:57                                   ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-04-24 20:15                                     ` Paul Moore
2026-04-24 20:57                                       ` Mimi Zohar
2026-04-24 21:08                                         ` Paul Moore
2026-04-24 22:00                                           ` Mimi Zohar
2026-04-24 22:10                                             ` Paul Moore
2026-04-24 22:49                                               ` Mimi Zohar
2026-04-25  4:53                                         ` Yeoreum Yun [this message]
2026-04-23 14:48                           ` Mimi Zohar
2026-04-23 17:02                             ` Jonathan McDowell
2026-04-23 17:13                               ` Mimi Zohar
2026-04-22 16:24 ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/4] tpm: tpm_crb_ffa: revert defered_probed when tpm_crb_ffa is built-in Yeoreum Yun
2026-04-23 10:17   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-04-22 16:24 ` [RFC PATCH v2 3/4] firmware: arm_ffa: revert ffa_init() initcall level to device_initcall Yeoreum Yun
2026-04-23  9:13   ` Sudeep Holla
2026-04-22 16:24 ` [RFC PATCH v2 4/4] firmware: arm_ffa: check pkvm initailised when initailise ffa driver Yeoreum Yun
2026-04-23  8:34   ` Marc Zyngier
2026-04-23 10:29     ` Yeoreum Yun

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