From: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
To: Jens Remus <jremus@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: Dylan Hatch <dylanbhatch@google.com>,
Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
Weinan Liu <wnliu@google.com>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@kernel.org>,
Indu Bhagat <ibhagatgnu@gmail.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
Jiri Kosina <jikos@kernel.org>,
Prasanna Kumar T S M <ptsm@linux.microsoft.com>,
Puranjay Mohan <puranjay@kernel.org>, Song Liu <song@kernel.org>,
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linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
Heiko Carstens <hca@linux.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 8/8] unwind: arm64: Use sframe to unwind interrupt frames
Date: Tue, 12 May 2026 11:18:45 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <agL-hacT_xeh1kmz@J2N7QTR9R3> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0542f042-14fb-4588-bc3a-5031249d9834@linux.ibm.com>
On Tue, May 12, 2026 at 10:55:28AM +0200, Jens Remus wrote:
> On 5/12/2026 5:00 AM, Dylan Hatch wrote:
> > On Fri, May 1, 2026 at 9:46 AM Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >> (1) For correctness, we'll need to address a latent issue with
> >> unwinding across an fgraph return trampoline, where the return
> >> address is transiently unrecoverable.
> >> I think we can solve that with some restructuring of that code,
> >> restoring the original address *before* removing that from the
> >> fgraph return stack, and ensuring that the unwinder can find it.
> >
> > If my understanding is correct, the issue arrises in
> > return_to_handler as the return address is recovered:
> >
> > mov x0, sp bl ftrace_return_to_handler // addr =
> > ftrace_return_to_hander(fregs); mov x30, x0 // restore the original
> > return address
> >
> > Because ftrace_return_to_handler pops the return address from the
> > return stack before it can be restored into the LR, it cannot be
> > recovered.
>
> Based on reliable-stacktrace.rst section "4.4 Rewriting of return
> addresses" I wonder whether the following might work:
>
> - If an unwound RA points at return_to_handler the actual RA needs to
> be obtained using ftrace_graph_ret_addr(). This might already be
> taken into account if ftrace_graph_ret_addr() is used unconditionally.
>
> - If an unwound RA points into return_to_handler() mark the stack trace
> as unreliable. This could be accomplished by marking LR in
> return_to_handler() as undefined (i.e. .cfi_undefined 30) to use
> SFrame's outermost frame indication to stop and mark the stack trace
> as unreliable:
We don't currently have any CFI annotations for return_to_handler(), so
if we interrupt that, any unwind will naturally be marked as unreliable.
The problem is that we can try an unwind from an interrupted *callee* of
return_to_handler(). In that case, we'll unwind through
return_to_handler() using the frame pointer, without consulting SFrame.
In that case, the PC will be part-way through return_to_handler(), but
we only call ftrace_graph_ret_addr() when the PC is the start of
return_to_handler, and so we don't even try to recover the return
address.
We can handle that better by checking whether the PC is *within*
return_to_handler(), and aborting when the original return address
cannot be recoverted. I'm happy to go put that together, nad longer term
I would like to do the better reovery I described above such that we can
*always* recover the return address.
Mark.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-05-12 10:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-04-28 18:36 [PATCH v5 0/8] unwind, arm64: add sframe unwinder for kernel Dylan Hatch
2026-04-28 18:36 ` [PATCH v5 1/8] sframe: Allow kernelspace sframe sections Dylan Hatch
2026-04-28 18:36 ` [PATCH v5 2/8] arm64, unwind: build kernel with sframe V3 info Dylan Hatch
2026-04-28 18:36 ` [PATCH v5 3/8] arm64: entry: add unwind info for various kernel entries Dylan Hatch
2026-04-29 15:26 ` Mark Rutland
2026-04-28 18:36 ` [PATCH v5 4/8] sframe: Provide PC lookup for vmlinux .sframe section Dylan Hatch
2026-04-28 18:36 ` [PATCH v5 5/8] sframe: Allow unsorted FDEs Dylan Hatch
2026-04-30 10:04 ` Jens Remus
2026-04-28 18:36 ` [PATCH v5 6/8] arm64/module, sframe: Add sframe support for modules Dylan Hatch
2026-04-30 10:04 ` Jens Remus
2026-04-28 18:36 ` [PATCH v5 7/8] sframe: Introduce in-kernel SFRAME_VALIDATION Dylan Hatch
2026-04-30 10:04 ` Jens Remus
2026-04-28 18:36 ` [PATCH v5 8/8] unwind: arm64: Use sframe to unwind interrupt frames Dylan Hatch
2026-05-01 16:46 ` Mark Rutland
2026-05-04 8:47 ` Jens Remus
2026-05-05 10:29 ` Mark Rutland
2026-05-05 15:52 ` Jens Remus
2026-05-12 3:00 ` Dylan Hatch
2026-05-12 8:55 ` Jens Remus
2026-05-12 10:18 ` Mark Rutland [this message]
2026-05-12 10:07 ` Mark Rutland
2026-04-29 17:18 ` [PATCH v5 0/8] unwind, arm64: add sframe unwinder for kernel Mark Rutland
2026-04-30 10:11 ` Jens Remus
2026-05-12 1:10 ` Dylan Hatch
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