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From: Nicolin Chen <nicolinc@nvidia.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
Cc: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
	"Joerg Roedel" <joro@8bytes.org>,
	Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	"Rafael J . Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>,
	"Pranjal Shrivastava" <praan@google.com>,
	Mostafa Saleh <smostafa@google.com>,
	Lu Baolu <baolu.lu@linux.intel.com>,
	Kevin Tian <kevin.tian@intel.com>,
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>, <iommu@lists.linux.dev>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org>,
	<linux-pci@vger.kernel.org>, <vsethi@nvidia.com>,
	Shuai Xue <xueshuai@linux.alibaba.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 11/24] iommu: Add iommu_report_device_broken() to quarantine a broken device
Date: Tue, 19 May 2026 17:21:36 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <agz+kL2S8kcgHywG@Asurada-Nvidia> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260519230204.GM3602937@nvidia.com>

On Tue, May 19, 2026 at 08:02:04PM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > OK. So you are suggesting a quarantine at the driver-level only:
> > 
> > 1. Driver detects ATC_INV timeout during an invalidation.
> > 2. Driver retries the commands to identify the master.
> 
> I might argue to push even this out to a followup series given it is
> complex and I suspect it becomes much simpler after the batch
> removal...

I see you suggest to treat the entire batch as ATS-broken. Just to
confirm: without per-SID retry, that might falsely block a healthy
device in the ATC batch, right? The driver now batches all ATC_INV
commands via arm_smmu_invs_end_batch().

> > 3. Driver calls pci_disable_ats() and clears STE.EATS.
> > 4. Driver marks domain->invs ATS entries as BROKEN.
> >    (optional since pci_disable_ats() is done?)
> 
> We need to stop sending invs otherwise there will be trouble making
> forward progress.

OK. This needs a surgical invs mutation: maybe INV_TYPE_ATS_BROEKN
that you suggested.

> > 5. Driver sets master->ats_broken to fence concurrent attach:
> >    arm_smmu_write_ste() and arm_smmu_ats_supported().
> 
> Not sure this is needed, if we race some attach then the attach will
> re-set EATS, get another timeout and clear EATS. Doesn't seem worth
> trying to optimize for.

I didn't see that coming. master->ats_enabled && state->ats_enabled
in the commit() for a concurrent attachment would issue an ATC that
may timeout again to re-start the step 1.

And since arm_smmu_atc_inv_master() doesn't use domain->invs, it is
not affected by INV_TYPE_ATS_BROKEN. So, ATC_INV can continue to be
issued in this case.

Ah, I feel that we are walking in the mine field where every single
step could be a kaboom. But your insight is clearly a safe pathway.

> > 6. Something external triggers an FLR (sysfs or AER).
> > 7. FLR goes through pci_dev_reset_iommu_prepare()/done(). done()
> >    reverts 3+4 and calls the reset_device_done callback clearing
> >    master->ats_broken (5).
> 
> It should restore core/driver/hw synchronization of EATS and the
> pci_enable_ats() by installing a blocking domain. Then it can go on to
> re-attach a translating domain and everything is back to correct.

Yea. We probably could drop the master->ats_broken, as done() would
be seemingly sufficient. I'll do the rework first, and see if there
might be some corner case.

> We do need to push a pci error event (didn't see that in this series)
> so the driver can catch it and start the FLR process. I suppose that
> will still need to bounce through a workqueue, and once you have that
> it can also set the blocked domain prior to calling out to the driver.

In the specific case that I am trying to tackle with this series, I
do see AER error prints from the device already but there is no FLR
process. So, I assume that, even if we push a PCI error event, that
wouldn't necessarily trigger an FLR?

Thanks
Nicolin


  reply	other threads:[~2026-05-20  0:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-05-19  3:38 [PATCH v4 00/24] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Quarantine device upon ATC invalidation timeout Nicolin Chen
2026-05-19  3:38 ` [PATCH v4 01/24] PCI: Don't suspend IOMMU when probing reset capability Nicolin Chen
2026-05-19  3:38 ` [PATCH v4 02/24] PCI: Propagate FLR return values to callers Nicolin Chen
2026-05-19  3:38 ` [PATCH v4 03/24] iommu: Convert gdev->blocked from bool to enum gdev_blocked Nicolin Chen
2026-05-19  3:38 ` [PATCH v4 04/24] iommu: Pass in reset result to pci_dev_reset_iommu_done() Nicolin Chen
2026-05-19  3:38 ` [PATCH v4 05/24] iommu: Add reset_device_done callback for hardware fault recovery Nicolin Chen
2026-05-19  3:38 ` [PATCH v4 06/24] iommu: Defer iommu_group free via kfree_rcu() Nicolin Chen
2026-05-19 11:39   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-05-19 18:54     ` Nicolin Chen
2026-05-19  3:38 ` [PATCH v4 07/24] iommu: Defer __iommu_group_free_device() to be outside group->mutex Nicolin Chen
2026-05-19 11:47   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-05-19  3:38 ` [PATCH v4 08/24] iommu: Change group->devices to RCU-protected list Nicolin Chen
2026-05-19  3:38 ` [PATCH v4 09/24] iommu: Add group pointer to struct group_device Nicolin Chen
2026-05-19  3:38 ` [PATCH v4 10/24] iommu: Add __iommu_group_block_device helper Nicolin Chen
2026-05-19  3:38 ` [PATCH v4 11/24] iommu: Add iommu_report_device_broken() to quarantine a broken device Nicolin Chen
2026-05-19 12:07   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-05-19 18:29     ` Nicolin Chen
2026-05-19 19:16       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-05-19 22:30         ` Nicolin Chen
2026-05-19 23:02           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-05-20  0:21             ` Nicolin Chen [this message]
2026-05-20  0:30               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-05-19  3:38 ` [PATCH v4 12/24] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Mark ATC invalidate timeouts via lockless bitmap Nicolin Chen
2026-05-19  3:38 ` [PATCH v4 13/24] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Skip remaining GERROR causes on SFM Nicolin Chen
2026-05-19  3:38 ` [PATCH v4 14/24] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Introduce per-cmdq cmdq_err_handler callback Nicolin Chen
2026-05-19  3:38 ` [PATCH v4 15/24] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Co-clear pending CMDQ_ERR when CMD_SYNC times out Nicolin Chen
2026-05-19  3:38 ` [PATCH v4 16/24] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Co-clear pending CMDQ_ERR when queue_has_space() fails Nicolin Chen
2026-05-19  3:39 ` [PATCH v4 17/24] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Add master in arm_smmu_inv for ATS entries Nicolin Chen
2026-05-19 12:01   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-05-19  3:39 ` [PATCH v4 18/24] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Introduce master->ats_broken flag Nicolin Chen
2026-05-19 12:06   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-05-19  3:39 ` [PATCH v4 19/24] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Add invs and has_ats to struct arm_smmu_cmdq_batch Nicolin Chen
2026-05-19 12:09   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-05-19  3:39 ` [PATCH v4 20/24] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Introduce arm_smmu_cmdq_batch_issue() wrapper Nicolin Chen
2026-05-19  3:39 ` [PATCH v4 21/24] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Move arm_smmu_invs_for_each_entry to header Nicolin Chen
2026-05-19  3:39 ` [PATCH v4 22/24] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Introduce master->ats_invs Nicolin Chen
2026-05-19 12:12   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-05-19  3:39 ` [PATCH v4 23/24] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Serialize STE.EATS and ats_broken updates Nicolin Chen
2026-05-19  3:39 ` [PATCH v4 24/24] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Block ATS upon an ATC invalidation timeout Nicolin Chen

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