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From: Mostafa Saleh <smostafa@google.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
Cc: Pranjal Shrivastava <praan@google.com>,
	Nicolin Chen <nicolinc@nvidia.com>,
	will@kernel.org, robin.murphy@arm.com, joro@8bytes.org,
	kees@kernel.org, baolu.lu@linux.intel.com, kevin.tian@intel.com,
	miko.lenczewski@arm.com, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	iommu@lists.linux.dev, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	stable@vger.kernel.org, jamien@nvidia.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH rc v7 0/7] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Fix device crash on kdump kernel
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2026 13:05:19 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <akUQj2pa1W-MekgF@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260630185942.GF7481@nvidia.com>

On Tue, Jun 30, 2026 at 03:59:42PM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2026 at 03:33:12PM +0000, Mostafa Saleh wrote:
> 
> > For example patch#1 verifies log2size and split and both are read
> > from HW registers. Same for the base address or other addresses as
> > the page tables, they  might be corrupted due to a buggy driver.
> > My point is that, it is really hard to assume that the previous state
> > of registers/STE/page-tables were valid or even consistent, when the
> > kernel crashed and did not transition the state gracefully.
> 
> Sure, and this mechanism is probably not very useful for debugging
> these kinds of errors in the SMMU driver. Oh well, that isn't a common
> source of kernel crashes :)

I hope not! Although memory corruption can happen due to many other
reasons :/

I am not trying to bikeshed, but I wondering if there is a more
reliable way rather than doing archaeology from a panicked kernel
SMMUv3 configuration, as I am worried that will be even harder to
debug if it goes wrong.

>  
> > Similarly for TLBs, the kernel might have panicked in the middle of an
> > unmap or free domain. (not to mention what that means for RPM where
> > a device reset with unknown TLBs)
> 
> TLB is fine. kdump works by carving out a chunk of memory for the
> future crash kernel. When the kernel boots it ignores all the memory
> used by the prior kernel. So DMA can keep running into the old kernels
> memory with no issue. It doesn't matter if the TLBs are inconsistent or
> not.

Ideally if a TLB is to be missed (because of the panic), it should not
point to kdump memory as it is carved-out. However, it is still a leap to
assume that the TLBs are in a good shape as I mentioned with RPM (or
even if the device resets transiently for some reason) it can end up
with garbage in its TLBs.

Thanks,
Mostafa

> 
> Jason


  reply	other threads:[~2026-07-01 13:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-06-30  6:15 [PATCH rc v7 0/7] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Fix device crash on kdump kernel Nicolin Chen
2026-06-30  6:15 ` [PATCH rc v7 1/7] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Add arm_smmu_kdump_adopt_strtab() for kdump Nicolin Chen
2026-06-30  6:15 ` [PATCH rc v7 2/7] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Implement is_attach_deferred() " Nicolin Chen
2026-06-30  6:15 ` [PATCH rc v7 3/7] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Do not enable EVTQ/PRIQ interrupts in kdump kernel Nicolin Chen
2026-06-30  6:15 ` [PATCH rc v7 4/7] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Skip EVTQ/PRIQ setup " Nicolin Chen
2026-06-30  6:15 ` [PATCH rc v7 5/7] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Retain CR0_SMMUEN during kdump device reset Nicolin Chen
2026-06-30  6:15 ` [PATCH rc v7 6/7] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Skip RMR bypass for kdump adoption Nicolin Chen
2026-06-30  6:15 ` [PATCH rc v7 7/7] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Detect ARM_SMMU_OPT_KDUMP_ADOPT in probe() Nicolin Chen
2026-06-30 13:17 ` [PATCH rc v7 0/7] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Fix device crash on kdump kernel Mostafa Saleh
2026-06-30 14:51   ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-06-30 15:33     ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-06-30 18:30       ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-06-30 19:08         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-06-30 19:24           ` Nicolin Chen
2026-07-01  0:25             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-06-30 18:59       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-07-01 13:05         ` Mostafa Saleh [this message]
2026-07-01 13:36           ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-06-30 18:56   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-06-30 19:27   ` Nicolin Chen
2026-07-01  9:58     ` Mostafa Saleh

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