From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>, g@google.com
Cc: Ackerley Tng <ackerleytng@google.com>,
Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
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linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, kvmarm@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/4] Stop returning struct page from guest_memfd PFN lookup
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2026 07:27:50 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aoW9ZhBWucR3HApp@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7c368424-80f9-4491-8578-d26ccc7dc835@kernel.org>
On Wed, Aug 19, 2026, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
> On 8/18/26 21:55, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 18, 2026, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
> >> On 8/18/26 11:15, Ackerley Tng wrote:
> >>> KVM currently expects kvm_gmem_get_pfn() to return a refcounted struct
> >>> page. Callers (such as x86 TDP MMU, arm64 Stage-2 fault handler, and SEV-SNP
> >>> VMSA / RMP handlers) hold this refcount across page fault handling.
> >>>
> >>> Holding a page refcount across fault handling is problematic for guest_memfd.
> >>> In-place memory conversions between confidential computing shared and private
> >>> states inspect folio refcounts to ensure exclusive ownership by guest_memfd. A
> >>> concurrent guest page fault taking a reference on the folio causes conversions
> >>> to fail due to an elevated refcount.
> >>
> >> Right. Won't we still, at least temporarily, grab a reference while looking up
> >> the folio in the page cache, or will we be preventing that concurrent race with
> >> locking?
> >
> > The latter. What I want to aim for is that if the relevant guest_memfd range
> > has never been mmap()'d and there are no memory failures, then conversion is
> > guaranteed to not fail due to elevated refcounts.
> >
> > Or to put it a different way, I want KVM's ABI to be that pausing vCPU is *NOT*
> > required to perform an in-place conversion.
>
> Having the VM access a page that is currently under conversion (triggered by the
> VM) should not be the common case, no? Except, prefaulting, of course.
"not be the common case" is likely an understatement. In practice, I don't it
will happen outside of guest bugs and KVM testcases.
It's the testcases that I want to "unblock" though. If we commit to never having
to pause vCPUs, even if the guest is misbehaving, then that gives us deterministic
behavior we can validate, i.e. a way to detect similar regressions in the future.
I don't expect any regressions would be super problematic, but being able to treat
any failed conversion as a KVM bug (for the curated setup) mitigates the risk of
death by a thousand cuts, i.e. reduces the risk of gradually degrading conversion
performance because more and more transient references being taken by KVM.
prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-08-19 14:28 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-08-18 9:15 [PATCH v2 0/4] Stop returning struct page from guest_memfd PFN lookup Ackerley Tng
2026-08-18 9:15 ` [PATCH v2 1/4] KVM: SEV: Treat unassigned RMP entry as benign race on PSMASH failure Ackerley Tng
2026-08-19 0:11 ` Michael Roth
2026-08-18 9:15 ` [PATCH v2 2/4] KVM: SEV: Drop page refcount early during RMP fault handling Ackerley Tng
2026-08-19 0:23 ` Michael Roth
2026-08-18 9:15 ` [PATCH v2 3/4] KVM: SEV: Drop page refcount early in VMSA reload Ackerley Tng
2026-08-19 0:31 ` Michael Roth
2026-08-18 9:15 ` [PATCH v2 4/4] KVM: guest_memfd: Stop returning struct page from PFN lookup Ackerley Tng
2026-08-18 13:58 ` Suzuki K Poulose
2026-08-19 0:49 ` Michael Roth
2026-08-19 8:52 ` Yan Zhao
2026-08-18 17:12 ` [PATCH v2 0/4] Stop returning struct page from guest_memfd " David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-18 19:55 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-19 7:44 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-19 14:27 ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
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