From: Heikki Krogerus <heikki.krogerus@linux.intel.com>
To: Sven Peter <sven@kernel.org>
Cc: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org>,
Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzk+dt@kernel.org>,
Conor Dooley <conor+dt@kernel.org>, Janne Grunau <j@jannau.net>,
Neal Gompa <neal@gompa.dev>,
Andreas Noever <andreas.noever@gmail.com>,
Mika Westerberg <westeri@kernel.org>,
Yehezkel Bernat <YehezkelShB@gmail.com>,
Philipp Zabel <p.zabel@pengutronix.de>,
Konrad Dybcio <konradybcio@kernel.org>,
linux-usb@vger.kernel.org, devicetree@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, asahi@lists.linux.dev,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 02/19] usb: typec: Add thunderbolt switch
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2026 13:17:54 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <apa0Ypc4xpaeHTBb@black.igk.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260830-b4-apple-soc-tbt-v1-2-44bc9348683c@kernel.org>
Hi Sven,
On Sun, Aug 30, 2026 at 10:19:20PM +0200, Sven Peter wrote:
> On Apple Silicon the USB4/Thunderbolt host router can only be brought
> up after the Type-C PHY has been configured and requires cable details
> known only to the Type-C port controller.
>
> The existing orientation switch only forwards the cable orientation.
> The mode switch also forwards most of the required details but
> represents devices which configure or route the Type-C signal path. The
> ACIO host router is a consumer of that path and has additional ordering
> requirements: it has to be started after the PHY has been configured
> and stopped again before the PHY is disabled.
>
> The mode switch code calls all handlers in the same order both when
> entering and leaving a mode and cannot express this reverse teardown
> order. Treating ACIO as another mode switch could therefore leave the
> NHI active after its PHY has been disabled, which can result in an
> asynchronous SError or a SoC watchdog reset.
>
> Add a separate Thunderbolt switch which Type-C port drivers can use to
> forward the negotiated Thunderbolt or USB4 cable details and explicitly
> order host router setup and teardown around the mode switch. This is
> similar to a USB role switch: each connection has exactly one host
> router and the callback controls the lifetime of that functional
> controller instead of configuring a signal mux.
You are bypassing and duplicating things that are already supported in
the typec bus.
Your typec port driver probable does not register the partner altmode
that you need, so you just need to fix that. After that you should be
able to get the details you need simply by registering a typec bus
notifier in the thunderbolt driver. We can add a helper for that if
needed - the DRM subsystem will use the same notifier with the DP
altmode soon.
USB4 is meant to be handled as an altmode too, but it looks like it is
not supported yet - I need to check the status with that. This may
still need to be fixed, but that should not be a problem.
Thanks,
--
heikki
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-09-01 11:18 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-08-30 20:19 [PATCH 00/19] Initial USB4/Thunderbolt support for Apple M1/M2/M3 SoCs Sven Peter
2026-08-30 20:19 ` [PATCH 01/19] dt-bindings: usb: Add thunderbolt-switch property Sven Peter
2026-08-30 20:19 ` [PATCH 02/19] usb: typec: Add thunderbolt switch Sven Peter
2026-09-01 11:17 ` Heikki Krogerus [this message]
2026-09-01 18:53 ` Sven Peter
2026-08-30 20:19 ` [PATCH 03/19] usb: typec: tipd: Hook up Thunderbolt switch for CD321x Sven Peter
2026-08-30 20:19 ` [PATCH 04/19] dt-bindings: thunderbolt: Add Apple USB4/Thunderbolt NHI Sven Peter
2026-08-30 20:19 ` [PATCH 05/19] dt-bindings: thunderbolt: Add Apple USB4/Thunderbolt ACIO block Sven Peter
2026-08-30 20:19 ` [PATCH 06/19] thunderbolt: Try reading host DROM from device tree first Sven Peter
2026-09-01 8:48 ` Mika Westerberg
2026-08-30 20:19 ` [PATCH 07/19] thunderbolt: Don't read the UID if we already know it Sven Peter
2026-08-30 20:19 ` [PATCH 08/19] thunderbolt: Allocate ring HopID before requesting the ring interrupt Sven Peter
2026-08-30 20:19 ` [PATCH 09/19] thunderbolt: Add ring_interrupt_active to tb_nhi_ops Sven Peter
2026-08-30 20:19 ` [PATCH 10/19] thunderbolt: Make the ring register layout configurable Sven Peter
2026-09-01 8:58 ` Mika Westerberg
2026-09-01 18:56 ` Sven Peter
2026-08-30 20:19 ` [PATCH 11/19] thunderbolt: Add ring_interrupt_mask to tb_nhi_ops Sven Peter
2026-08-30 20:19 ` [PATCH 12/19] thunderbolt: Add ring_configure " Sven Peter
2026-08-30 20:19 ` [PATCH 13/19] thunderbolt: Add QUIRK_NO_DMA_PORT Sven Peter
2026-09-01 9:04 ` Mika Westerberg
2026-09-01 17:06 ` Sven Peter
2026-08-30 20:19 ` [PATCH 14/19] thunderbolt: Add QUIRK_NO_USB3_BW_ALLOC Sven Peter
2026-09-01 9:12 ` Mika Westerberg
2026-08-30 20:19 ` [PATCH 15/19] thunderbolt: Export symbols required by the Apple Silicon driver Sven Peter
2026-08-30 20:19 ` [PATCH 16/19] thunderbolt: Add Apple Silicon support Sven Peter
2026-09-01 10:09 ` Mika Westerberg
2026-09-01 19:06 ` Sven Peter
2026-08-30 20:19 ` [PATCH 17/19] arm64: dts: apple: t8103: Add USB4 ACIO and NHI Sven Peter
2026-09-01 10:20 ` Mika Westerberg
2026-08-30 20:19 ` [PATCH 18/19] arm64: dts: apple: t8112: " Sven Peter
2026-08-30 20:19 ` [PATCH 19/19] arm64: dts: apple: t60xx: " Sven Peter
2026-08-31 17:44 ` [PATCH 00/19] Initial USB4/Thunderbolt support for Apple M1/M2/M3 SoCs Joshua Peisach
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