From: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
To: Fuad Tabba <fuad.tabba@linux.dev>
Cc: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>, Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>,
Oliver Upton <oupton@kernel.org>, Joey Gouly <joey.gouly@arm.com>,
Steffen Eiden <seiden@linux.ibm.com>,
Suzuki K Poulose <suzuki.poulose@arm.com>,
Zenghui Yu <yuzenghui@huawei.com>,
Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, kvmarm@lists.linux.dev,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] KVM: arm64: Enable S1PIE for nVHE and hVHE
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2026 14:41:28 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aprKiP2YlBuBwDU8@willie-the-truck> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+EHjTx87SnshzrUF69hGTSA9JmjW9oKbx+GbKjx5W+gnWYRgg@mail.gmail.com>
On Fri, Sep 04, 2026 at 01:20:44PM +0100, Fuad Tabba wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Sept 2026 at 12:48, Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 04, 2026 at 12:29:23PM +0100, Will Deacon wrote:
> > > On Fri, Sep 04, 2026 at 11:33:24AM +0100, Mark Brown wrote:
> >
> > > > What about pKVM, my understanding was that that is very much an ongoing
> > > > concern and uses the nVHE hypervisor? My expectation was that this
> > > > would only ever get used in hVHE configurations when people enable pKVM
> > > > on modern hardware, actual nVHE mode was mostly just carried along with
> > > > that.
> >
> > > pKVM uses hVHE wherever it can nowadays, so I'm fine with only supporting
> > > S1PIE on hVHE and VHE configurations if that's easier to maintain. We
> > > just need to make sure that the failure mode for nVHE results in the
> > > feature being gracefully disabled, rather than e.g. crashing or quietly
> > > doing the wrong thing.
> >
> > I figure that if we're supporting hVHE it will end up less complicated
> > to also enable nVHE, it reduces the potential for having bad or missing
> > fallback paths for features downstream of S1POE. It's not like it's a
> > huge extra bit of code and it seems likely to save hassle down the line.
>
> For pKVM there's no fallback path to get wrong: any CPU with S1PIE has
> VHE, so pKVM runs hVHE on it, and a CPU without VHE has no S1PIE to
> disable. I couldn't construct the protected nVHE plus S1PIE case under
> QEMU at all.
I can't remember the exact incantation, but there's definitely a way to
force pKVM + nVHE on VHE-capable hardware on the cmdline. So we should
just make sure that doesn't go horribly wrong!
Will
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-09-04 13:41 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-09-03 23:14 [PATCH 0/2] KVM: arm64: Enable S1PIE for nVHE and hVHE Mark Brown
2026-09-03 23:14 ` [PATCH 1/2] KVM: arm64: Initialise TCR2_EL2 for nVHE mode Mark Brown
2026-09-04 7:32 ` Marc Zyngier
2026-09-04 11:35 ` Mark Brown
2026-09-04 13:13 ` Marc Zyngier
2026-09-03 23:14 ` [PATCH 2/2] KVM: arm64: Enable S1PIE for nVHE and hVHE Mark Brown
2026-09-04 7:25 ` Marc Zyngier
2026-09-04 10:33 ` Mark Brown
2026-09-04 11:29 ` Will Deacon
2026-09-04 11:48 ` Mark Brown
2026-09-04 12:20 ` Fuad Tabba
2026-09-04 13:38 ` Mark Brown
2026-09-04 13:57 ` Marc Zyngier
2026-09-04 17:40 ` Mark Brown
2026-09-04 13:41 ` Will Deacon [this message]
2026-09-04 14:13 ` Alexandru Elisei
2026-09-04 13:23 ` Marc Zyngier
2026-09-04 13:53 ` Mark Brown
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