From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from bombadil.infradead.org (bombadil.infradead.org [198.137.202.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9B2ECCC6B03 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2026 13:04:56 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lists.infradead.org; s=bombadil.20210309; h=Sender:List-Subscribe:List-Help :List-Post:List-Archive:List-Unsubscribe:List-Id:In-Reply-To:Content-Type: MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Owner; bh=kGss90kIqJSuKwZAQ6DLZisijObcQph2FKfXz/chjsA=; b=vNRhD2w0jhk8R88qpL9p+/W+5f Zi6t9PlAyysaugr+rVQ9+Z9nZ6hvGESCDZ6MqUJOLGENijTjzD9vEvNiC/pUnZOpI1mxWMh0QsB+s hV0bO3Zcf1QsYzZ3sOZ/U+/v6lIS/k6F3xyBsbiSn7wb+vjqys7zX3ZDb8KoKJNTiou9kZtAvz4+U vVZvQLrxwhdcmOR36YdngSt/shPlPLdtsDggRi27pv8SH/Jq3DYQWCf7dthBUDy5oB5qkAnXR9PiL F/CHQDKqBuMFjGE/LKNSrv5iYdg85p52pnZAnCmvibFg00JZG7DaBgvJujsWZMArZ9hTHZnmbhKsw dJLylpqw==; Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=bombadil.infradead.org) by bombadil.infradead.org with esmtp (Exim 4.99.1 #2 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1xGcBU-0000000CuJa-147o; Tue, 13 Oct 2026 13:04:48 +0000 Received: from foss.arm.com ([217.140.110.172]) by bombadil.infradead.org with esmtp (Exim 4.99.1 #2 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1xGcBQ-0000000CuIE-2Wy7 for linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org; Tue, 13 Oct 2026 13:04:46 +0000 Received: from usa-sjc-imap-foss1.foss.arm.com (unknown [10.121.207.14]) by usa-sjc-mx-foss1.foss.arm.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B483169C; Tue, 13 Oct 2026 06:04:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from arm.com (usa-sjc-mx-foss1.foss.arm.com [172.31.20.19]) by usa-sjc-imap-foss1.foss.arm.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BBB333F66F; Tue, 13 Oct 2026 06:04:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=arm.com; s=foss; t=1791896680; bh=YWFi8pNw4Nk/CWDYcXcgcJeWhFMoeYs4kTjK55wIpDk=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=HOhAS3wiU5y+6aEiONJoWcDCn4oDRByZB2qAH6ljvfPPsPCfqHec8sUcVw8adxsn/ cq3wP/gR563Tn8osdAUixj9C5c9QSh5oAPjmNl5S8sksmcuFbkmqOSdTLTmp/6INb0 6657orV2X/TJTY/B14QNQGovG4n26ksGxDmlcGZM= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2026 14:04:35 +0100 From: Catalin Marinas To: Muhammad Usama Anjum Cc: Leonardo Bras , Linus Walleij , Will Deacon , Marc Zyngier , Oliver Upton , Joey Gouly , Suzuki K Poulose , Zenghui Yu , linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, kvmarm@lists.linux.dev Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] arm64: clear_page[s] using memset Message-ID: References: <20260916-aarch64-clear-pages-c-v2-1-0393769f7912@kernel.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-CRM114-Version: 20100106-BlameMichelson ( TRE 0.9.0 (BSD) ) MR-646709E3 X-CRM114-CacheID: sfid-20261013_060444_731633_908D1058 X-CRM114-Status: GOOD ( 32.64 ) X-BeenThere: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: "linux-arm-kernel" Errors-To: linux-arm-kernel-bounces+linux-arm-kernel=archiver.kernel.org@lists.infradead.org On Thu, Oct 08, 2026 at 02:30:20PM +0100, Muhammad Usama Anjum wrote: > On 23/09/2026 5:14 pm, Catalin Marinas wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2026 at 04:54:09PM +0100, Leonardo Bras wrote: > >> On Wed, Sep 16, 2026 at 04:28:51PM +0100, Leonardo Bras wrote: > >>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2026 at 12:03:56PM +0200, Linus Walleij wrote: > >>>> There is no need to try to second-guess the compiler when > >>>> clearing memory. Just call memset() like everyone else. > >>>> > >>>> Since memset() already has an architecture-local MOPS > >>>> optimization, we do not need to do anything else to preserve > >>>> the MOPS optimization. > >>>> > >>>> While at it, implement the shorthand for directly calling > >>>> the new prototype clear_pages() for larger page chunks. > >>>> > >>>> No performance regressions can be seen, the fastpath > >>>> benchmarks differences are in the noise. > >>>> > >>>> Usama Anjum tested next-20260821 with one warm-up and three repeats > >>>> in four sessions, for a total of 12 measured runs. The commands were: > >>>> > >>>> perf bench mem memset -k 1GB -f default -s 16GB > >>>> perf bench mem mmap -p 1GB -f demand -s 32GB -l 5 > >>>> perf bench mem mmap -p 4KB -f demand -s 32GB -l 5 > >>>> > >>>> The results were: > >>>> > >>>> aws-m7g.metal: > >>>> Benchmark Base bytes/sec Change with patch > >>>> memset 1GB 63932542232.12 1.92% > >>>> mmap 1GB 63272579168.03 -0.57% > >>>> mmap 4KB 49692830849.48 -1.11% > >>>> > >>>> cesw-aarch64-ampereone-1s-a192-32x: > >>>> Benchmark Base bytes/sec Change with patch > >>>> memset 1GB 33895562998.71 0.25% > >>>> mmap 1GB 34338454210.17 1.16% > >>>> mmap 4KB 25687107580.90 -0.85% > > [...] > >>> Looking on that, I see that the memset() implementation uses setp, setm, > >>> sete, while the clear_page()'s uses setpn, setmn, setn for the case with > >>> MOPS. But then, reading into the docs, the instructions seem pretty much > >>> the same thing. > > [...] > >> Oh, I browsed a bit here, and IIUC none of the tested machines have > >> FEAT_MOPS, is that right? > >> > >> If that's the case, the tests are exactly to what is different between > >> patched and current versions. There should be no impact on MOPS version as > >> the instructions are basically the same. > > > > Logically, yes, they are the same. From a performance perspective, there > > may be a difference between the temporal and non-temporal variants, > > depending on the usage. > > > > I think it would be good to run the benchmarks with the current > > implementation without DC ZVA. I don't think we have an easy way to do > > this on the command line, so we can simply hard-code the DZP=1 check and > > fall back to the STP or STNP in both cases. > > > > Otherwise I'm fine with the patch as well, good clean-up. > > > With DC ZVA bypassed, clear_page() STNP and patched memset() STP showed only > 2 statistically significant regressions on AmpereOne machine. This is confusing as I don't think Linus's patch regresses anything on the platforms tested. > Results for SUT Class aws-m7g.metal: > > +-----------+------------------------------------------------+-----------------------+---------------------+--------------------+-------------------------+ > | Benchmark | Result Class | next-20260922-vanilla | next-20260922-patch | next-20260922-stnp | next-20260922-patch_stp | > +===========+================================================+=======================+=====================+====================+=========================+ > | perf/mem | memset -k 1GB -f default -s 16GB (bytes/sec) | 65367617364.09 | -0.32% | 0.70% | -0.80% | > | | mmap -p 1GB -f demand -s 32GB -l 5 (bytes/sec) | 63750796288.65 | 0.59% | -1.56% | -1.15% | > | | mmap -p 4KB -f demand -s 32GB -l 5 (bytes/sec) | 49588573632.22 | -0.39% | -0.40% | -0.93% | > +-----------+------------------------------------------------+-----------------------+---------------------+--------------------+-------------------------+ > > Results for SUT Class cesw-aarch64-ampereone-1s-a192-32x: > > +-----------+------------------------------------------------+-----------------------+---------------------+--------------------+-------------------------+ > | Benchmark | Result Class | next-20260922-vanilla | next-20260922-patch | next-20260922-stnp | next-20260922-patch_stp | > +===========+================================================+=======================+=====================+====================+=========================+ > | perf/mem | memset -k 1GB -f default -s 16GB (bytes/sec) | 35882584735.80 | -0.36% | 0.43% | -0.00% | > | | mmap -p 1GB -f demand -s 32GB -l 5 (bytes/sec) | 36204572635.77 | -1.17% | (R) -2.07% | 0.14% | > | | mmap -p 4KB -f demand -s 32GB -l 5 (bytes/sec) | 27149223683.79 | 0.54% | (R) -2.48% | -0.13% | > +-----------+------------------------------------------------+-----------------------+---------------------+--------------------+-------------------------+ Trying to make sense of the above. So based on -next of 22nd of September, the table means: vanilla - next/master on that day (current clear_page()) patch - memset()-based clear_page() patch (Linus's patch) stnp - vanilla clear_page() without DC ZVA patch_stp - memset()-based clear_page() patch without DC ZVA I assume the vanilla vs patch columns are just noise. Well, there's a -1.17% regression (not flagged) on Ampere but what's the standard deviation for this column? Similarly for the -1.15% on the AWS patch_stp test (vs stnp in the same test, it's no worse). Vanilla vs stnp shows a regression on Ampere, however that's expected as we no longer do the DC ZVA. Interestingly, the patch_stp result doesn't have this regression, so I reckon DC ZVA behaves mostly in line with STP on this hardware. Basically I was looking for the stnp vs patch_stp results. If I read it correctly, there's no significant change going from non-temporal to temporal stores (and a small improvement for Ampere). Assuming future FEAT_MOPS will have similar behaviour, moving clear_page() to memset() shouldn't cause any regressions. Before FEAT_MOPS, we'll use DC ZVA here anyway. Thanks for running the tests. -- Catalin