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From: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
To: Leo Yan <leo.yan@arm.com>
Cc: Suzuki K Poulose <suzuki.poulose@arm.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Mike Leach <mike.leach@arm.com>,
	James Clark <james.clark@linaro.org>,
	Anshuman Khandual <anshuman.khandual@arm.com>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Tamas Petz <tamas.petz@arm.com>,
	Tamas Zsoldos <tamas.zsoldos@arm.com>,
	Michiel van Tol <michiel.vantol@arm.com>,
	Dev Jain <dev.jain@arm.com>, David Hildenbrand <david@kernel.org>,
	Yabin Cui <yabinc@google.com>, James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>,
	coresight@lists.linaro.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] perf: arm_spe: Prefer large AUX mappings
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2026 17:14:28 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <asUeZA5Z4VjQtf1g@willie-the-truck> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20261005174144.GL1208404@e132581.arm.com>

On Mon, Oct 05, 2026 at 06:41:44PM +0100, Leo Yan wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 01, 2026 at 08:16:09AM +0100, Will Deacon wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 30, 2026 at 05:43:11PM +0100, Leo Yan wrote:
> 
> > > How about adding a field to struct pmu to specify a preferred maximum
> > > page order for the AUX buffer? The perf core could try that order first
> > > and fall back to smaller orders if the allocation fails.
> > 
> > I'm not sure that's thr right place for it, really. The driver has no
> > clue about whether it makes sense to use large contiguous mappings or
> > not, so I'd have thought that decision should be driven from userspace
> > (e.g. like MADV_HUGEPAGE) because it really depends on the user's
> > preference and isn't a fixed property of the hardware.
> 
> Here MADV_HUGEPAGE cannot directly apply on this case: perf allocates
> the AUX pages during mmap, while TRBE accesses them through a separate
> kernel vmap() mapping.
> 
> MADV_HUGEPAGE is applied after mmap, but a preference (or flag) would
> need to be specified before the AUX mmap.

I was using the madvise option as an example of a user-controllable hint,
I'm not suggesting you use it directly as-is.

> > > Given the single L1 TRBE TLB entry, the TRBE driver could prefer
> > > PMD_ORDER (2 MiB with 4 KiB pages) to reduce TLB pressure. This reflects
> > > the hardware characteristic.
> > > 
> > > This could be a trade-off instead of using PERF_PMU_CAP_AUX_PREFER_LARGE,
> > > avoiding large contiguous allocations that could reintroduce the Android
> > > OOM issue. I did a quick test with this approach and the results look
> > > positive.
> > 
> > I really don't want the driver to second-guess userspace based on whatever
> > information it happens to have hard-coded about the specific CPU it's
> > running on.
> 
> The kernel already takes the PERF_PMU_CAP_AUX_PREFER_LARGE flag from a
> PMU; a preferred maximum order would let the driver give it a bounded
> value.

But the driver doesn't have this information.

> I do not intend to hard-code or guess a preference for a particular CPU
> variant. We can map TRBE or SPE buffer at PMD granularity. On a 4
> KiB-page system, PMD_ORDER is order 9, or 2 MiB. Requesting a larger
> contiguous chunk cannot increase the mapping granule, so I would cap the
> preference there. It remains a preference: perf can fall back to smaller
> orders when allocation fails.

My understanding of 18049c8cff9c is that it's not about allocation
failures, so this doesn't work.

> Exposing the preference to userspace also seems problematic. Users
> generally lack the hardware details needed to choose an appropriate
> value. Even if tools provide a default, the same policy would need to
> be duplicated across perf, simpleperf, and proprietary tools. I don't
> think userspace tools are the right place for this policy.

Well I don't think it belongs in the kernel either. I suppose you could
make it a driver module option but it's ugly as hell. We really need
Yabin's input here, I think.

Will


      reply	other threads:[~2026-10-06 16:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-10 14:44 [PATCH 0/2] perf/arm: Prefer large AUX mappings for CoreSight and SPE Leo Yan
2026-08-10 14:44 ` [PATCH 1/2] coresight: perf: Prefer large AUX mappings Leo Yan
2026-08-10 14:44 ` [PATCH 2/2] perf: arm_spe: " Leo Yan
2026-08-10 15:10   ` Will Deacon
2026-08-10 17:41     ` Leo Yan
2026-08-11  9:02       ` James Clark
2026-08-11 10:17         ` Leo Yan
2026-09-01 17:06           ` Leo Yan
2026-10-08 10:43       ` Dev Jain
2026-09-30 16:43     ` Leo Yan
2026-10-01  7:16       ` Will Deacon
2026-10-05 17:41         ` Leo Yan
2026-10-06 16:14           ` Will Deacon [this message]

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