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From: pbonzini@redhat.com (Paolo Bonzini)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH RFC 0/2] KVM: use RCU to allow dynamic kvm->vcpus array
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 12:18:03 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b240630b-e991-5c1e-a2c7-8def744f275e@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6609138c-6a29-5106-39a8-3219ce47f01a@redhat.com>

On 17/08/2017 11:55, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> On 17.08.2017 11:44, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
>> On 17/08/2017 11:28, Cornelia Huck wrote:
>>> On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 11:16:59 +0200
>>> Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 17/08/2017 09:36, Cornelia Huck wrote:
>>>>>> What if we just sent a "vcpu move" request to all vcpus with the new 
>>>>>> pointer after it moved? That way the vcpu thread itself would be 
>>>>>> responsible for the migration to the new memory region. Only if all 
>>>>>> vcpus successfully moved, keep rolling (and allow foreign get_vcpu again).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That way we should be basically lock-less and scale well. For additional 
>>>>>> icing, feel free to increase the vcpu array x2 every time it grows to 
>>>>>> not run into the slow path too often.  
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd prefer the rcu approach: This is a mechanism already understood
>>>>> well, no need to come up with a new one that will likely have its own
>>>>> share of problems.  
>>>>
>>>> What Alex is proposing _is_ RCU, except with a homegrown
>>>> synchronize_rcu.  Using kvm->srcu seems to be the best of both worlds.
>>>
>>> I'm worried a bit about the 'homegrown' part, though.
>>
>> I agree, that's why I'm suggesting SRCU instead.  But it's a trick that
>> has its uses.  For example, if you were only doing reads from a work
>> queue, flush_work_queue could be used as the "homegrown
>> synchronize_rcu".  In KVM you might use kvm_make_all_cpus_request, I guess.
>>
>>> I also may be misunderstanding what Alex means with "vcpu move"...
>>
>> My interpretation was "resizing the array" (so it moves in memory).
> 
> Unpopular opinion: Let's keep it simple first (straight rcu) and
> optimize later on.

RCU vs. SRCU is about correctness, not optimization...

Paolo

  reply	other threads:[~2017-08-17 10:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-08-16 19:40 [PATCH RFC 0/2] KVM: use RCU to allow dynamic kvm->vcpus array Radim Krčmář
2017-08-16 19:40 ` [PATCH RFC 1/2] KVM: remove unused __KVM_HAVE_ARCH_VM_ALLOC Radim Krčmář
2017-08-21 13:48   ` Christian Borntraeger
2017-08-16 19:40 ` [PATCH RFC 2/2] KVM: RCU protected dynamic vcpus array Radim Krčmář
2017-08-17  8:07   ` Cornelia Huck
2017-08-17 11:14   ` David Hildenbrand
2017-08-17 16:50     ` Radim Krčmář
2017-08-17 16:54       ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-08-17  7:04 ` [PATCH RFC 0/2] KVM: use RCU to allow dynamic kvm->vcpus array Alexander Graf
2017-08-17  7:36   ` Cornelia Huck
2017-08-17  9:16     ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-08-17  9:28       ` Cornelia Huck
2017-08-17  9:44         ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-08-17  9:55           ` David Hildenbrand
2017-08-17 10:18             ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2017-08-17 10:20               ` David Hildenbrand
2017-08-17 10:23                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-08-17 10:31                   ` David Hildenbrand
2017-08-17 14:54   ` Radim Krčmář
2017-08-17 19:17     ` Alexander Graf
2017-08-18 14:10       ` Radim Krčmář
2017-08-18 14:22         ` Marc Zyngier
2017-08-17  7:29 ` David Hildenbrand
2017-08-17  7:37   ` Cornelia Huck

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