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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CRM114-Version: 20100106-BlameMichelson ( TRE 0.8.0 (BSD) ) MR-646709E3 X-CRM114-CacheID: sfid-20250917_164439_550503_DBE94ED3 X-CRM114-Status: GOOD ( 34.45 ) X-BeenThere: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: "linux-arm-kernel" Errors-To: linux-arm-kernel-bounces+linux-arm-kernel=archiver.kernel.org@lists.infradead.org On 17.09.25 17:32, Eugen Hristev wrote: > > > On 9/17/25 18:18, David Hildenbrand wrote: >> On 17.09.25 17:02, Eugen Hristev wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 9/17/25 17:46, David Hildenbrand wrote: >>>> On 17.09.25 16:10, Thomas Gleixner wrote: >>>>> On Wed, Sep 17 2025 at 09:16, David Hildenbrand wrote: >>>>>> On 17.09.25 07:43, Eugen Hristev wrote: >>>>>>> On 9/17/25 00:16, Thomas Gleixner wrote: >>>>>>>> I pointed you to a solution for that and just because David does not >>>>>>>> like it means that it's acceptable to fiddle in subsystems and expose >>>>>>>> their carefully localized variables. >>>>>> >>>>>> It would have been great if we could have had that discussion in the >>>>>> previous thread. >>>>> >>>>> Sorry. I was busy with other stuff and did not pay attention to that >>>>> discussion. >>>> >>>> I understand, I'm busy with too much stuff such that sometimes it might >>>> be good to interrupt me earlier: "David, nooo, you're all wrong" >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Some other subsystem wants to have access to this information. I agree >>>>>> that exposing these variables as r/w globally is not ideal. >>>>> >>>>> It's a nono in this case. We had bugs (long ago) where people fiddled >>>>> with this stuff (I assume accidentally for my mental sanity sake) and >>>>> caused really nasty to debug issues. C is a horrible language to >>>>> encapsulate stuff properly as we all know. >>>> >>>> Yeah, there is this ACCESS_PRIVATE stuff but it only works with structs >>>> and relies on sparse IIRC. >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I raised the alternative of exposing areas or other information through >>>>>> simple helper functions that kmemdump can just use to compose whatever >>>>>> it needs to compose. >>>>>> >>>>>> Do we really need that .section thingy? >>>>> >>>>> The section thing is simple and straight forward as it just puts the >>>>> annotated stuff into the section along with size and id and I definitely >>>>> find that more palatable, than sprinkling random functions all over the >>>>> place to register stuff. >>>>> >>>>> Sure, you can achieve the same thing with an accessor function. In case >>>>> of nr_irqs there is already one: irq_get_nr_irqs(), but for places which >>>> >>>> Right, the challenge really is that we want the memory range covered by >>>> that address, otherwise it would be easy. >>>> >>>>> do not expose the information already for real functional reasons adding >>>>> such helpers just for this coredump muck is really worse than having a >>>>> clearly descriptive and obvious annotation which results in the section >>>>> build. >>>> >>>> Yeah, I'm mostly unhappy about the "#include " stuff. >>>> >>>> Guess it would all feel less "kmemdump" specific if we would just have a >>>> generic way to tag/describe certain physical memory areas and kmemdump >>>> would simply make use of that. >>> >>> The idea was to make "kmemdump" exactly this generic way to tag/describe >>> the memory. >> >> That's probably where I got lost, after reading the cover letter >> assuming that this is primarily to program kmemdump backends, which I >> understood to just special hw/firmware areas, whereby kinfo acts as a >> filter. > > If there is a mechanism to tag all this memory, or regions, into a > specific section, what we would do with it next ? > It would have a purpose to be parsed and reused by different drivers, > that would be able to actually use it. > So there has a to be some kind of middleman, that holds onto this list > of regions, manages it (unique id, add/remove), and allows certain > drivers to use it. Right, just someone that maintains the list and possibly allows traversing the list and possibly getting notifications on add/remove. > Now it would be interesting to have different kind of drivers connect to > it (or backends how I called them). > One of these programs an internal table for the firmware to use. > Another , writes information into a dedicated reserved-memory for the > bootloader to use on the next soft reboot (memory preserved). > I called this middleman kmemdump. But it can be named differently, and > it can reside in different places in the kernel. > But what I would like to avoid is to just tag all this memory and have > any kind of driver connect to the table. That works, but it's quite > loose on having control over the table. E.g. no kmemdump, tag all the > memory to sections, and have specific drivers (that would reside where?) > walk it. Yeah, you want just some simple "registry" with traversal+notification. > >> >>> If we would call it differently , simply dump , would it be better ? >>> e.g. include linux/dump.h >>> and then DUMP(var, size) ? >>> >>> could we call it maybe MARK ? or TAG ? >>> TAG_MEM(area, size) Just because I thought about it again, "named memory" could be an alternative to "tagged memory". -- Cheers David / dhildenb