From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=3.0 tests=DKIMWL_WL_HIGH,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CB6DC4360C for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2019 12:59:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bombadil.infradead.org (bombadil.infradead.org [198.137.202.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 10B8C21850 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2019 12:59:23 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=lists.infradead.org header.i=@lists.infradead.org header.b="QV4ya0Xl" DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org 10B8C21850 Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=kernel.org Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=linux-arm-kernel-bounces+infradead-linux-arm-kernel=archiver.kernel.org@lists.infradead.org DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lists.infradead.org; s=bombadil.20170209; h=Sender:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:List-Subscribe:List-Help:List-Post:List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe:List-Id:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To:From:Date: MIME-Version:Subject:To:Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Owner; bh=XDtanXA83f3jVRcO4f2uR9HLY4n7P9CtMkWrytZFDpQ=; b=QV4ya0XldbkXSBrN6ekbjG+Dr v/AecH41+kWIvpWyZGkSjthOFsJlHcWjrzxJz9qTHjXpdM/0qp/5GnghtUViytkgM/cNC0iCfalOb t7z9DeEAr1oPdPDjFOBLJuR+7uTwd5/kc6xUmRYqyn5CoqKC84tMg06UGFGzAEDjfQdISslGWN0r+ f0tT8Psk5wCLXUc8kSeXdhEyFuUtMmb4wM1K7YjzS6ZLkRyOe2nKk/Bp6wqGtoBu0X/S8btawlYTv geMVCzJINRwsQM0j7e33fji1jgdQ+WW/tX/hYf+xrffQ3tBpsNfrXi9wcDeA7UDS1yZlk6vqkV0hG DDXS6H9iQ==; Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=bombadil.infradead.org) by bombadil.infradead.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92.2 #3 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1iDpq9-0000DW-3q; Fri, 27 Sep 2019 12:59:17 +0000 Received: from inca-roads.misterjones.org ([213.251.177.50]) by bombadil.infradead.org with esmtps (Exim 4.92.2 #3 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1iDpq5-0000CZ-2l for linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2019 12:59:15 +0000 Received: from www-data by cheepnis.misterjones.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1iDppz-0008Q0-8M; Fri, 27 Sep 2019 14:59:07 +0200 To: Benjamin GAIGNARD Subject: Re: [PATCH] ARM: dts: stm32: Enable high resolution timer X-PHP-Originating-Script: 0:main.inc MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 13:59:06 +0100 From: Marc Zyngier In-Reply-To: <69af57d1-13a9-9e35-78f2-4a0d17bdaf6d@st.com> References: <20190927084819.645-1-benjamin.gaignard@st.com> <341949c8-7864-5d65-2797-988022724a4c@st.com> <69af57d1-13a9-9e35-78f2-4a0d17bdaf6d@st.com> Message-ID: X-Sender: maz@kernel.org User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/0.7.2 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: benjamin.gaignard@st.com, alexandre.torgue@st.com, robh+dt@kernel.org, mark.rutland@arm.com, devicetree@vger.kernel.org, linux-stm32@st-md-mailman.stormreply.com, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: maz@kernel.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on cheepnis.misterjones.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-CRM114-Version: 20100106-BlameMichelson ( TRE 0.8.0 (BSD) ) MR-646709E3 X-CRM114-CacheID: sfid-20190927_055913_270397_95FCD488 X-CRM114-Status: GOOD ( 13.26 ) X-BeenThere: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: mark.rutland@arm.com, devicetree@vger.kernel.org, Alexandre TORGUE , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, robh+dt@kernel.org, linux-stm32@st-md-mailman.stormreply.com, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: "linux-arm-kernel" Errors-To: linux-arm-kernel-bounces+infradead-linux-arm-kernel=archiver.kernel.org@lists.infradead.org On 2019-09-27 13:44, Benjamin GAIGNARD wrote: > On 9/27/19 2:41 PM, Marc Zyngier wrote: >> On 2019-09-27 13:36, Benjamin GAIGNARD wrote: >>> On 9/27/19 1:22 PM, Marc Zyngier wrote: >>>> On 2019-09-27 09:48, Benjamin Gaignard wrote: >>>>> Adding always-on makes arm arch_timer claim to be an high >>>>> resolution >>>>> timer. >>>>> That is possible because power mode won't stop clocking the >>>>> timer. >>>> >>>> The "always-on" is not about the clock. It is about the >>>> comparator. >>>> The clock itself is *guaranteed* to always tick. If it didn't, >>>> that'd be >>>> an integration bug, and a pretty bad one. >>>> >>>> What you're claiming here is that your CPU never enters a >>>> low-power >>>> mode? >>>> Ever? I find this very hard to believe. >>>> >>>> Furthermore, claiming that always-on is the way to force the >>>> arch-timer >>>> to be an hrtimer is factually wrong. This is what happens *if* >>>> this is >>>> the only timer in the system. The only case this is true is for >>>> virtual >>>> machines. Anything else has a global timer somewhere that will >>>> allow >>>> the arch timers to be used as an hrtimer. >>>> >>>> I'm pretty sure you too have a global timer somewhere in your >>>> system. >>>> Enable it, and enjoy hrtimers without having to lie about the >>>> properties >>>> of your system! ;-) >>> >>> Hi Marc, >>> >>> This SoC doesn't have any other global timer. Use arch_time is the >>> only >>> we have to provide hrtimer on this system. >> >> And you don't have any form of power management either? What happens >> when >> your CPU goes into idle? If your system does any form of power >> management >> *and* doesn't have a separate timer, it is remarkably broken. > > Even in low-power modes this timer is always powered and clocked so > it > is working fine. You're missing the point again. It is not about the clock, but the comparator that is internal to the CPU, and not functional when the CPU is in its lowest power mode. See also the verbiage in [1] (44.3 STGEN functional description), which indicates that the clock source actually dies in low-power mode (going against the architecture which mandates it to be always-on). Also, coming back to your earlier assertion ("This SoC doesn't have any other global timer"): The documentation at [1] shows at least 17 timers that could be used and avoid this dirty hack. So for what it is worth, NAK to this patch. M. [1] https://www.st.com/resource/en/reference_manual/dm00366355.pdf -- Jazz is not dead. It just smells funny... _______________________________________________ linux-arm-kernel mailing list linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-arm-kernel