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From: Usama Arif <usama.arif@linux.dev>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>, WANG Rui <r@hev.cc>
Cc: Liam.Howlett@oracle.com, ajd@linux.ibm.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, apopple@nvidia.com, baohua@kernel.org,
	baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com, brauner@kernel.org,
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	jack@suse.cz, kees@kernel.org, kevin.brodsky@arm.com,
	lance.yang@linux.dev, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com, mhocko@suse.com,
	npache@redhat.com, pasha.tatashin@soleen.com,
	rmclure@linux.ibm.com, rppt@kernel.org, ryan.roberts@arm.com,
	surenb@google.com, vbabka@kernel.org, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 3/4] elf: align ET_DYN base to max folio size for PTE coalescing
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2026 15:00:40 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e3876d3f-0e86-4542-861d-2de3d0cbf66e@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <acpy6DLjPVXXzwJX@casper.infradead.org>



On 30/03/2026 15:56, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 29, 2026 at 12:37:00PM +0800, WANG Rui wrote:
>>> mapping_max_folio_size() reflects what the page cache will actually
>>> allocate for a given filesystem, since readahead caps folio allocation
>>> at mapping_max_folio_order() (in page_cache_ra_order()). If btrfs
>>> reports PAGE_SIZE, readahead won't allocate large folios for it, so
>>> there are no large folios to coalesce PTEs for, aligning the binary
>>> beyond that would only reduce ASLR entropy for no benefit.
>>>
>>> I don't think we should over-align binaries on filesystems that can't
>>> take advantage of it.
>>
>> Ah, it looks like this might be overlooking another path that can create
>> huge page mappings for read-only code segments: even when the filesystem
>> (e.g. btrfs without experimental) didn't support large folios,
>> READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS still allowed read-only file-backed code segments
>> to be collapsed into huge page mappings via khugepaged.

ah yes, Thank you for pointing this out!

Maybe we should rename mapping_max_folio_size() to mapping_fault_max_folio_size().

>>
>> As Wilcox pointed out, it may take quite some time for many filesystems
>> to gain full large folio support? So what I'm trying to clarify is that
>> using mapping_max_folio_size() on this path is not favorable for
>> khugepaged-based optimizations.

ack

I am worried that 32M is too large and we lose out on a lot of ASLR bits.
Instead of PMD_ORDER, should we do max(SZ_2M, PMD_ORDER)?

> Nono, that's not what I'm pointing out!  btrfs is simply not putting
> in the effort to support large folios, and that needs to change.
> READ_ONLY_THP_FOR_FS unnecessaily burdens the rest of the kernel.
> It was a great hack for its time and paved the path for a lot of what
> we have today, but it's time to remove it.



  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-30 14:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20260320140315.979307-1-usama.arif@linux.dev>
     [not found] ` <20260320140315.979307-2-usama.arif@linux.dev>
2026-03-20 14:18   ` [PATCH v2 1/4] mm: bypass mmap_miss heuristic for VM_EXEC readahead Jan Kara
2026-03-20 14:26   ` Kiryl Shutsemau
     [not found] ` <20260320140315.979307-3-usama.arif@linux.dev>
2026-03-20 14:41   ` [PATCH v2 2/4] mm: replace exec_folio_order() with generic preferred_exec_order() Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-03-20 14:42   ` Jan Kara
2026-03-26 12:40     ` Usama Arif
2026-03-26 16:21       ` Jan Kara
     [not found] ` <20260320140315.979307-4-usama.arif@linux.dev>
2026-03-20 14:55   ` [PATCH v2 3/4] elf: align ET_DYN base to max folio size for PTE coalescing Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-03-20 15:58   ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-03-27 16:51     ` Usama Arif
2026-03-20 16:05   ` WANG Rui
2026-03-20 17:47     ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-03-27 16:53     ` Usama Arif
2026-03-29  4:37       ` WANG Rui
2026-03-30 12:56         ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-03-30 14:00           ` Usama Arif [this message]
     [not found] ` <20260320140315.979307-5-usama.arif@linux.dev>
2026-03-20 15:06   ` [PATCH v2 4/4] mm: align file-backed mmap to max folio order in thp_get_unmapped_area Kiryl Shutsemau

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