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Tue, 18 Feb 2020 10:51:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/11] Removing Calxeda platform support To: Rob Herring , Andre Przywara References: <20200218171321.30990-1-robh@kernel.org> <20200218181356.09ae0779@donnerap.cambridge.arm.com> From: Florian Fainelli Autocrypt: addr=f.fainelli@gmail.com; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= xsDiBEjPuBIRBACW9MxSJU9fvEOCTnRNqG/13rAGsj+vJqontvoDSNxRgmafP8d3nesnqPyR xGlkaOSDuu09rxuW+69Y2f1TzjFuGpBk4ysWOR85O2Nx8AJ6fYGCoeTbovrNlGT1M9obSFGQ X3IzRnWoqlfudjTO5TKoqkbOgpYqIo5n1QbEjCCwCwCg3DOH/4ug2AUUlcIT9/l3pGvoRJ0E AICDzi3l7pmC5IWn2n1mvP5247urtHFs/uusE827DDj3K8Upn2vYiOFMBhGsxAk6YKV6IP0d ZdWX6fqkJJlu9cSDvWtO1hXeHIfQIE/xcqvlRH783KrihLcsmnBqOiS6rJDO2x1eAgC8meAX SAgsrBhcgGl2Rl5gh/jkeA5ykwbxA/9u1eEuL70Qzt5APJmqVXR+kWvrqdBVPoUNy/tQ8mYc nzJJ63ng3tHhnwHXZOu8hL4nqwlYHRa9eeglXYhBqja4ZvIvCEqSmEukfivk+DlIgVoOAJbh qIWgvr3SIEuR6ayY3f5j0f2ejUMYlYYnKdiHXFlF9uXm1ELrb0YX4GMHz80nRmxvcmlhbiBG YWluZWxsaSA8Zi5mYWluZWxsaUBnbWFpbC5jb20+wmYEExECACYCGyMGCwkIBwMCBBUCCAME FgIDAQIeAQIXgAUCVF/S8QUJHlwd3wAKCRBhV5kVtWN2DvCVAJ4u4/bPF4P3jxb4qEY8I2gS 6hG0gACffNWlqJ2T4wSSn+3o7CCZNd7SLSDOwU0EVxvH8AEQAOqv6agYuT4x3DgFIJNv9i0e S443rCudGwmg+CbjXGA4RUe1bNdPHYgbbIaN8PFkXfb4jqg64SyU66FXJJJO+DmPK/t7dRNA 3eMB1h0GbAHlLzsAzD0DKk1ARbjIusnc02aRQNsAUfceqH5fAMfs2hgXBa0ZUJ4bLly5zNbr r0t/fqZsyI2rGQT9h1D5OYn4oF3KXpSpo+orJD93PEDeseho1EpmMfsVH7PxjVUlNVzmZ+tc IDw24CDSXf0xxnaojoicQi7kzKpUrJodfhNXUnX2JAm/d0f9GR7zClpQMezJ2hYAX7BvBajb Wbtzwi34s8lWGI121VjtQNt64mSqsK0iQAE6OYk0uuQbmMaxbBTT63+04rTPBO+gRAWZNDmQ b2cTLjrOmdaiPGClSlKx1RhatzW7j1gnUbpfUl91Xzrp6/Rr9BgAZydBE/iu57KWsdMaqu84 JzO9UBGomh9eyBWBkrBt+Fe1qN78kM7JO6i3/QI56NA4SflV+N4PPgI8TjDVaxgrfUTV0gVa cr9gDE5VgnSeSiOleChM1jOByZu0JTShOkT6AcSVW0kCz3fUrd4e5sS3J3uJezSvXjYDZ53k +0GS/Hy//7PSvDbNVretLkDWL24Sgxu/v8i3JiYIxe+F5Br8QpkwNa1tm7FK4jOd95xvYADl BUI1EZMCPI7zABEBAAHCwagEGBECAAkFAlcbx/ACGwICKQkQYVeZFbVjdg7BXSAEGQECAAYF Alcbx/AACgkQh9CWnEQHBwSJBw//Z5n6IO19mVzMy/ZLU/vu8flv0Aa0kwk5qvDyvuvfiDTd WQzq2PLs+obX0y1ffntluhvP+8yLzg7h5O6/skOfOV26ZYD9FeV3PIgR3QYF26p2Ocwa3B/k P6ENkk2pRL2hh6jaA1Bsi0P34iqC2UzzLq+exctXPa07ioknTIJ09BT31lQ36Udg7NIKalnj 5UbkRjqApZ+Rp0RAP9jFtq1n/gjvZGyEfuuo/G+EVCaiCt3Vp/cWxDYf2qsX6JxkwmUNswuL C3duQ0AOMNYrT6Pn+Vf0kMboZ5UJEzgnSe2/5m8v6TUc9ZbC5I517niyC4+4DY8E2m2V2LS9 es9uKpA0yNcd4PfEf8bp29/30MEfBWOf80b1yaubrP5y7yLzplcGRZMF3PgBfi0iGo6kM/V2 13iD/wQ45QTV0WTXaHVbklOdRDXDHIpT69hFJ6hAKnnM7AhqZ70Qi31UHkma9i/TeLLzYYXz zhLHGIYaR04dFT8sSKTwTSqvm8rmDzMpN54/NeDSoSJitDuIE8givW/oGQFb0HGAF70qLgp0 2XiUazRyRU4E4LuhNHGsUxoHOc80B3l+u3jM6xqJht2ZyMZndbAG4LyVA2g9hq2JbpX8BlsF skzW1kbzIoIVXT5EhelxYEGqLFsZFdDhCy8tjePOWK069lKuuFSssaZ3C4edHtkZ8gCfWWtA 8dMsqeOIg9Trx7ZBCDOZGNAAnjYQmSb2eYOAti3PX3Ex7vI8ZhJCzsNNBEjPuBIQEAC/6NPW 6EfQ91ZNU7e/oKWK91kOoYGFTjfdOatp3RKANidHUMSTUcN7J2mxww80AQHKjr3Yu2InXwVX SotMMR4UrkQX7jqabqXV5G+88bj0Lkr3gi6qmVkUPgnNkIBe0gaoM523ujYKLreal2OQ3GoJ PS6hTRoSUM1BhwLCLIWqdX9AdT6FMlDXhCJ1ffA/F3f3nTN5oTvZ0aVF0SvQb7eIhGVFxrlb WS0+dpyulr9hGdU4kzoqmZX9T/r8WCwcfXipmmz3Zt8o2pYWPMq9Utby9IEgPwultaP06MHY nhda1jfzGB5ZKco/XEaXNvNYADtAD91dRtNGMwRHWMotIGiWwhEJ6vFc9bw1xcR88oYBs+7p gbFSpmMGYAPA66wdDKGj9+cLhkd0SXGht9AJyaRA5AWB85yNmqcXXLkzzh2chIpSEawRsw8B rQIZXc5QaAcBN2dzGN9UzqQArtWaTTjMrGesYhN+aVpMHNCmJuISQORhX5lkjeg54oplt6Zn QyIsOCH3MfG95ha0TgWwyFtdxOdY/UY2zv5wGivZ3WeS0TtQf/BcGre2y85rAohFziWOzTaS BKZKDaBFHwnGcJi61Pnjkz82hena8OmsnsBIucsz4N0wE+hVd6AbDYN8ZcFNIDyt7+oGD1+c PfqLz2df6qjXzq27BBUboklbGUObNwADBQ//V45Z51Q4fRl/6/+oY5q+FPbRLDPlUF2lV6mb hymkpqIzi1Aj/2FUKOyImGjbLAkuBQj3uMqy+BSSXyQLG3sg8pDDe8AJwXDpG2fQTyTzQm6l OnaMCzosvALk2EOPJryMkOCI52+hk67cSFA0HjgTbkAv4Mssd52y/5VZR28a+LW+mJIZDurI Y14UIe50G99xYxjuD1lNdTa/Yv6qFfEAqNdjEBKNuOEUQOlTLndOsvxOOPa1mRUk8Bqm9BUt LHk3GDb8bfDwdos1/h2QPEi+eI+O/bm8YX7qE7uZ13bRWBY+S4+cd+Cyj8ezKYAJo9B+0g4a RVhdhc3AtW44lvZo1h2iml9twMLfewKkGV3oG35CcF9mOd7n6vDad3teeNpYd/5qYhkopQrG k2oRBqxyvpSLrJepsyaIpfrt5NNaH7yTCtGXcxlGf2jzGdei6H4xQPjDcVq2Ra5GJohnb/ix uOc0pWciL80ohtpSspLlWoPiIowiKJu/D/Y0bQdatUOZcGadkywCZc/dg5hcAYNYchc8AwA4 2dp6w8SlIsm1yIGafWlNnfvqbRBglSTnxFuKqVggiz2zk+1wa/oP+B96lm7N4/3Aw6uy7lWC HvsHIcv4lxCWkFXkwsuWqzEKK6kxVpRDoEQPDj+Oy/ZJ5fYuMbkdHrlegwoQ64LrqdmiVVPC TwQYEQIADwIbDAUCVF/S8QUJHlwd3wAKCRBhV5kVtWN2Do+FAJ956xSz2XpDHql+Wg/2qv3b G10n8gCguORqNGMsVRxrlLs7/himep7MrCc= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 10:51:17 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US X-CRM114-Version: 20100106-BlameMichelson ( TRE 0.8.0 (BSD) ) MR-646709E3 X-CRM114-CacheID: sfid-20200218_105130_331750_DB82BB84 X-CRM114-Status: GOOD ( 18.29 ) X-BeenThere: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Mark Langsdorf , kvm@vger.kernel.org, Viresh Kumar , "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" , "open list:LIBATA SUBSYSTEM \(Serial and Parallel ATA drivers\)" , Will Deacon , linux-clk , Joerg Roedel , Daniel Lezcano , devicetree@vger.kernel.org, Jon Loeliger , "open list:THERMAL" , Eric Auger , Alex Williamson , Matthias Brugger , Alexander Graf , Mauro Carvalho Chehab , "moderated list:ARM/FREESCALE IMX / MXC ARM ARCHITECTURE" , linux-edac , Jens Axboe , Tony Luck , Stephen Boyd , netdev , Cornelia Huck , "Rafael J. Wysocki" , soc@kernel.org, Linux IOMMU , Robert Richter , James Morse , Borislav Petkov , Robin Murphy , "David S. Miller" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: "linux-arm-kernel" Errors-To: linux-arm-kernel-bounces+infradead-linux-arm-kernel=archiver.kernel.org@lists.infradead.org On 2/18/20 10:40 AM, Rob Herring wrote: > On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 12:14 PM Andre Przywara wrote: >> >> On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 11:13:10 -0600 >> Rob Herring wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >>> Calxeda has been defunct for 6 years now. Use of Calxeda servers carried >>> on for some time afterwards primarily as distro builders for 32-bit ARM. >>> AFAIK, those systems have been retired in favor of 32-bit VMs on 64-bit >>> hosts. >>> >>> The other use of Calxeda Midway I'm aware of was testing 32-bit ARM KVM >>> support as there are few or no other systems with enough RAM and LPAE. Now >>> 32-bit KVM host support is getting removed[1]. >>> >>> While it's not much maintenance to support, I don't care to convert the >>> Calxeda DT bindings to schema nor fix any resulting errors in the dts files >>> (which already don't exactly match what's shipping in firmware). >> >> While every kernel maintainer seems always happy to take patches with a negative diffstat, I wonder if this is really justification enough to remove a perfectly working platform. I don't really know about any active users, but experience tells that some platforms really are used for quite a long time, even if they are somewhat obscure. N900 or Netwinder, anyone? >> >> So to not give the impression that actually *everyone* (from that small subset of people actively reading the kernel list) is happy with that, I think that having support for at least Midway would be useful. On the one hand it's a decent LPAE platform (with memory actually exceeding 4GB), and on the other hand it's something with capable I/O (SATA) and networking, so one can actually stress test the system. Which is the reason I was using that for KVM testing, but even with that probably going away now there remain still some use cases, and be it for general ARM(32) testing. > > Does LPAE with more than 4GB actually need to work if there's not > another platform out there? There are ARCH_BRCMSTB platforms that are 32-bit only and have 6GB of DRAM populated, and those continue to work just fine, though there is no known use for KVM AFAICT. -- Florian _______________________________________________ linux-arm-kernel mailing list linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-arm-kernel