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To: Greg Kroah-Hartman , Florian Fainelli References: <20210218165104.GC2013@sasha-vm> <00b9e2fb-d818-58d6-edae-4dbd6aa814f7@gmail.com> <20210218182050.GB15217@1wt.eu> From: Florian Fainelli Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 09:44:23 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/78.0 Thunderbird/78.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US X-CRM114-Version: 20100106-BlameMichelson ( TRE 0.8.0 (BSD) ) MR-646709E3 X-CRM114-CacheID: sfid-20210219_124430_615792_81D42024 X-CRM114-Status: GOOD ( 23.18 ) X-BeenThere: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Sasha Levin , Scott Branden , LKML , BCM Kernel Feedback , Willy Tarreau , Linux ARM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: "linux-arm-kernel" Errors-To: linux-arm-kernel-bounces+linux-arm-kernel=archiver.kernel.org@lists.infradead.org On 2/19/2021 7:53 AM, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: > On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 07:05:41AM -0800, Florian Fainelli wrote: >> >> >> On 2/19/2021 12:25 AM, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: >>> On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 12:16:50PM -0800, Scott Branden wrote: >>>> On 2021-02-18 10:36 a.m., Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: >>>>> On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 07:20:50PM +0100, Willy Tarreau wrote: >>>>>> On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 06:53:56PM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: >>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 09:21:13AM -0800, Florian Fainelli wrote: >>>>>>>> As a company, we are most likely shooting ourselves in the foot by not >>>>>>>> having a point of coordination with the Linux Foundation and key people >>>>>>>> like you, Greg and other participants in the stable kernel. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What does the LF have to do with this? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We are here, on the mailing lists, working with everyone. Just test the >>>>>>> -rc releases we make and let us know if they work or not for you, it's >>>>>>> not a lot of "coordination" needed at all. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Otherwise, if no one is saying that they are going to need these for 6 >>>>>>> years and are willing to use it in their project (i.e. and test it), >>>>>>> there's no need for us to maintain it for that long, right? >>>>>> >>>>>> Greg, please remember I expressed I really need them for slightly more than >>>>>> 3 years (say 3.5-4) :-) I'm fine with helping a bit more as time permits if >>>>>> this saves me from having to take over these kernels after you, like in the >>>>>> past, but I cannot engage on the regularity of my availability. >>>>> >>>>> Ok, great! >>>>> >>>>> That's one person/company saying they can help out (along with what CIP >>>>> has been stating.) >>>>> >>>>> What about others? Broadcom started this conversation, odd that they >>>>> don't seem to want to help out :) >>>> Greg, I'm sorry but I'm not in a position to provide such a commitment. >>> >>> Ok, who at Broadcom do I need to talk to to get that type of commitment? >> >> I am not sure if I was too subtle before, we (Broadcom) cannot give you >> an unified voice to speak with because we are divided in silos/business >> units that make their independent decisions. > > That's fine, I'm totally used to that, large (and even small) companies > always have different groups with different roadmaps and policies. > >> The group I work in (STB/CM, different from Scott's) is committed to >> using the 5.10 kernel for 6 years and that is a decision that has been >> taken. > > Great! Will you all be testing the -rc releases and letting me know how > they work for your systems? Yes I will, can you add me to your CC list for the stable candidates? That helps me not having to dig for those announcements specifically. > >> I could give you names of other decision makers in other business units >> I know who also deliver Linux for their respective business units >> however some of them may not make public appearances on mailing lists, >> let alone care about upstreaming their changes so I do not know whether >> a 6 years 5.10 kernel is even something they remotely entertain. > > That's fine, I'm not expecting emails from the list, we can take this > off-list if you like as it sounds like I need to talk to some different > managers there, right? :) I will put together a list and send you an email off list. -- Florian _______________________________________________ linux-arm-kernel mailing list linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-arm-kernel