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From: mans@mansr.com (Måns Rullgård)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Removal of NWFPE in its entirety, and VFP emulation code
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 12:58:09 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <yw1xip3u8uni.fsf@unicorn.mansr.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130410114229.GH14496@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk> (Russell King's message of "Wed, 10 Apr 2013 12:42:29 +0100")

Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk> writes:

> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 12:18:19PM +0100, M?ns Rullg?rd wrote:
>> Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk> writes:
>> 
>> > The situation with VFP is likely less disruptive - only instructions
>> > which aren't implemented in hardware (or, for example, if you ask for
>> > inexact exceptions to be enabled) which are bounced to the software
>> > support code will be affected.  I think OMAP should get away unscathed,
>> > but ARM's implementation will bounce if inexact exceptions are enabled
>> 
>> What do you mean by this?  OMAP uses ARM's cores.
>
> OMAP's VFP reports that it never traps to support code for VFP instructions,
> so the emulation code is never used on OMAP.

That is true for OMAP2 (ARM1136/VFP11) and OMAP3 (Cortex-A8).  OMAP4
(Cortex-A9) and OMAP5 (Cortex-A15) both trap on vector operations.

>> > or in a few corner cases.  Qualcomm is likely to be the worst affected
>> > by this.
>> >
>> > Will Deacon has tested debian armhf on a Cortex-A15 with VFP emulation
>> > support removed, which boots successfully.
>> 
>> Cortex-A9 and later lack hardware support for VFP vector operations.
>> Any code using these will fail to run without the software emulation.
>> Of course such code is already horribly slow on these cores and should
>> be fixed, so perhaps this is not such a terrible thing.
>
> It's probably not "horribly slow" because unlike NWFPE, I went to great
> efforts through my derivation of softfloat to ensure that it was as fast
> and efficient as possible on ARM hardware.

It's several orders of magnitude slower than not using the vector
operations.  This is as one would expect when taking a kernel trap on
almost every instruction.

-- 
M?ns Rullg?rd
mans at mansr.com

  reply	other threads:[~2013-04-10 11:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-04-10 10:40 Removal of NWFPE in its entirety, and VFP emulation code Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-04-10 11:18 ` Måns Rullgård
2013-04-10 11:42   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-04-10 11:58     ` Måns Rullgård [this message]
2013-04-10 18:54       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-04-10 19:23         ` Måns Rullgård
2013-04-10 20:03           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-04-10 20:46             ` Måns Rullgård
2013-04-10 21:04               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-04-10 21:18                 ` Måns Rullgård
2013-04-10 21:29                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-04-10 21:39                     ` Måns Rullgård
2013-04-10 21:45                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-04-10 22:21                     ` Måns Rullgård
2013-04-10 23:19                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-04-10 13:21 ` Will Deacon
2013-04-10 19:15   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-04-10 17:30 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-04-10 18:24   ` Steve McIntyre
2013-04-10 18:55   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-04-10 18:58     ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-04-10 19:02       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-04-11 18:37         ` Imre Kaloz
2013-04-10 19:00   ` Aaro Koskinen
2013-04-10 19:03     ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-04-10 19:06     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-04-10 19:19       ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-04-10 19:25   ` Måns Rullgård
2013-04-10 20:04     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-04-10 18:38 ` jonsmirl at gmail.com
2013-04-10 19:12   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-04-10 21:46 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-04-18 13:31 ` Russell King - ARM Linux

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