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From: Lina Iyer <lina.iyer@linaro.org>
To: Ulf Hansson <ulf.hansson@linaro.org>
Cc: "Kevin Hilman" <khilman@linaro.org>,
	"linux-pm@vger.kernel.org" <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org"
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	"Geert Uytterhoeven" <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	"Krzysztof Kozłowski" <k.kozlowski@samsung.com>,
	msivasub@codeaurora.org, "Andy Gross" <agross@codeaurora.org>,
	"Stephen Boyd" <sboyd@codeaurora.org>,
	"linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org" <linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Lorenzo Pieralisi" <lorenzo.pieralisi@arm.com>,
	"Axel Haslam" <ahaslam@baylibre.com>,
	"Marc Titinger" <mtitinger@baylibre.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 08/27] PM / Domains: Support IRQ safe PM domains
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 09:57:58 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160115165758.GC1651@linaro.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPDyKFpj0Gv=5hVwZWjmgmumHPriuYk+LLVBwjEeW9Jfj8p5Kw@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 15 2016 at 01:55 -0700, Ulf Hansson wrote:
[...]
>
>> *) Non-IRQ safe parent + IRQ-safe subdomain
>
>Let's name this case 1.
>
>>   Attach subdomain:
>>         - parent mutex held and subdomain spinlocked.
>>   Power-on:
>>         - subdomain assumes parent is always ON or powered on before the
>>         subdomain is powered ON.
>
>As stated above, what do you think of *not* dealing with this case as
>I think it's not a solution but a workaround!
>
>>   Power-off:
>>         - parent is not powered off even if the subdomain was the last
>>         active domain.
>>
>> **) IRQ-safe parent + IRQ-safe subdomain
>
>Let's name this case 2.
>
>>    Attach subdomain:
>>         - parent spinlock held and subdomain spinlocked.
>>    Power-on:
>>         - subdomain may power on the parent.
>>    Power-off:
>>         - last active sub-domain will power off the parent in the same
>>           context.
>
>From a genpd locking point of view, there should be no reason to power
>off in same context. We should be able to deal with this via a
>scheduled work for this case as well, right!?
>
I agree it need not be a requirement. May be we can have an option to
schedule the work. In the case of CPU power management, scheduling a
work is not an option, especially when the domain and the CPUs are
collapsing.

>Although, I realize that it's very useful to power off in the same
>context to minimize latencies in the full blown CPU Cluster Power
>Management solution.
>Perhaps a separate genpd configuration flag could be added to enable
>this method, as I imagine that not *all* IRQ safe domains wants to use
>it.
>
>What do you think?
>
May be we can provide the is_async option as a genpd flag.

>>
>> ***) IRQ-safe parent + non-IRQ-safe subdomain
>
>Let's name this case 3.
>
>>    Attach subdomain:
>>         - parent spinlock held and subdomain **cannot** be mutex locked.
>
>First, attaching shouldn't occur from atomic context.
>
>Second, the important part is that we pick the locks in same order as
>elsewhere in genpd, and of course we must not pick a mutex while
>holding a spinlock.
>
>In all cases when adding subdomains, we should start by fetching the
>subdomains lock *then* the lock for the parent. The current genpd code
>doesn't do that and additionally it uses nested locks.
>I am going to send a patch the changes this behaviour, as I think it's
>wrong and may cause deadlocks!
>
Ah. Makes sense. I wish I had thought of it.

>Following this approach means that case 1 can't be supported, as that
>would mean holding a spinlock while fetching a mutex.
>
>>    Power-on:
>>         - subdomain may power on the parent.
>>    Power-off:
>>         - last active subdomain will be able to power off the domain
>>
>> Except for the last case, we can support the others in addition to the
>> currently available, with the restriction that
>> - IRQ-safe parents can only have IRQ-safe subdomains and devices
>>
>> - Non-IRQ safe parents may have both IRQ-safe and non-IRQ-safe
>>  subdomains and devices and the assumption that
>>         -- IRQ-safe subdomains and devices will not bother to power
>>         on/off their non-IRQ-safe parent.
>>
>
>I think case 2 and case 3 should be okay to support, but I am really
>questioning case 1.
>
With you other patch, it does make sense to have 2 and 3 instead of 1
and 2. 

My only concern is as I view the SoC as a whole, there would be cases
where the parent domain could only be non-IRQ safe (turning off a big
regulator may require some sleep) and the subdomains are quicker and
faster IRQ-safe domains. Putting up this restriction, chops up the
domain hierarchy. Imagine, if you could represent the whole power domain
organization in DT, but because of this restriction, we may not be able
to do that.

Thanks,
Lina

  reply	other threads:[~2016-01-15 16:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-17 22:37 [PATCH RFC 00/27] PM/Domains: Cluster idle support for ARM SoCs Lina Iyer
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 01/27] PM / Domains: core changes for multiple states Lina Iyer
2015-12-09 13:58   ` Ulf Hansson
2015-12-17 17:58     ` Axel Haslam
2015-12-17 21:19       ` Ulf Hansson
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 02/27] PM / Domains: Allow domain power states to be read from DT Lina Iyer
2015-12-10 16:53   ` Ulf Hansson
2015-12-15 10:07     ` Marc Titinger
2015-12-15 22:14       ` Lina Iyer
2015-12-16 21:36       ` Lina Iyer
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 03/27] PM / Domain: Add additional state specific param Lina Iyer
2015-11-19 21:33   ` Kevin Hilman
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 04/27] PM / Domains: make governor select deepest state Lina Iyer
2015-12-11  9:13   ` Ulf Hansson
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 05/27] PM / Domains: remove old power on/off latencies Lina Iyer
2015-11-18 14:57   ` [PATCH] ARM: imx6: pm: declare pm domain latency on power_state struct Lina Iyer
2015-11-23 13:31     ` Lucas Stach
2015-11-23 13:42       ` Lucas Stach
2015-12-04 23:19         ` Lina Iyer
2015-12-11  9:16   ` [PATCH RFC 05/27] PM / Domains: remove old power on/off latencies Ulf Hansson
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 06/27] PM / Domains: add debugfs 'states' and 'timings' seq files Lina Iyer
2015-12-11 11:46   ` Ulf Hansson
2015-12-16 11:07     ` Marc Titinger
2015-12-16 12:48       ` Ulf Hansson
2015-12-16 14:12         ` Marc Titinger
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 07/27] PM / Domains: Read domain residency from DT Lina Iyer
2015-11-24 20:41   ` Stephen Boyd
2015-12-11 11:54   ` Ulf Hansson
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 08/27] PM / Domains: Support IRQ safe PM domains Lina Iyer
2016-01-14 14:42   ` Ulf Hansson
2016-01-14 18:33     ` Lina Iyer
2016-01-15  8:55       ` Ulf Hansson
2016-01-15 16:57         ` Lina Iyer [this message]
2016-01-15 22:08           ` Ulf Hansson
2016-01-18 16:58             ` Lina Iyer
2016-01-18 17:00               ` Lina Iyer
2016-01-19 10:01               ` Ulf Hansson
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 09/27] PM / Domains: Attempt runtime suspend of IRQ safe parent domain Lina Iyer
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 10/27] drivers: power: Introduce PM domains for CPUs/clusters Lina Iyer
2015-11-24 20:52   ` Stephen Boyd
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 11/27] drivers: cpu: Define CPU devices as IRQ safe Lina Iyer
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 12/27] ARM: cpuidle: remove cpu parameter from the cpuidle_ops suspend hook Lina Iyer
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 13/27] ARM: cpuidle: Add runtime PM support for CPU idle Lina Iyer
2015-11-18  8:50   ` Zhaoyang Huang
2015-11-18 14:17     ` Lina Iyer
2015-11-19 22:10   ` Kevin Hilman
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 14/27] tick: get next wakeup event for the CPU Lina Iyer
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 15/27] PM / Domains: Add next_wakeup to device's timing data Lina Iyer
2015-11-19 22:19   ` Kevin Hilman
2015-11-20 15:58     ` Lina Iyer
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 16/27] ARM: cpuidle: Record the next wakeup event of the CPU Lina Iyer
2015-11-19 23:35   ` Kevin Hilman
2015-11-20 16:28     ` Lina Iyer
2015-11-24 18:29       ` Kevin Hilman
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 17/27] drivers: cpu-pd: Record CPUs that are part of the domain Lina Iyer
2015-11-24 21:00   ` Stephen Boyd
2015-11-25 14:13     ` Lina Iyer
2015-11-25 19:12       ` Stephen Boyd
2015-11-25 20:20         ` Lina Iyer
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 18/27] drivers: cpu-pd: Add PM Domain governor for CPUs Lina Iyer
2015-11-18 18:42   ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2015-11-19  8:50     ` Marc Titinger
2015-11-20 17:39       ` Lina Iyer
2015-11-19 23:52     ` Kevin Hilman
2015-11-20 16:21       ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2015-11-20 16:42         ` Lina Iyer
2015-11-20  0:03   ` Kevin Hilman
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 19/27] drivers: cpu-pd: Invoke CPU PM runtime on hotplug Lina Iyer
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 20/27] Documentation: ARM: topology: 'cluster' property for cluster nodes Lina Iyer
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 21/27] drivers: cpu-pd: Parse topology to setup CPU PM domains Lina Iyer
2015-12-07 14:54   ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2015-12-08 18:05     ` Lina Iyer
2015-12-10 18:11       ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2015-12-11  9:04         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-12-11 20:51           ` Lina Iyer
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 22/27] drivers: firmware: PSCI: Export psci_has_ext_power_state() Lina Iyer
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 23/27] ARM64: psci: Support cluster idle states for OS-Initated Lina Iyer
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 24/27] arm64: dts: Add Qualcomm MSM8916, MTP8916, APQ8016, SBC8016 ids Lina Iyer
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 25/27] devicetree: bindings: Document qcom,msm-id and qcom,board-id Lina Iyer
2015-11-19 14:36   ` Rob Herring
2015-11-19 15:36     ` Lina Iyer
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 26/27] ARM64: dts: Add PSCI cpuidle support for MSM8916 Lina Iyer
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 27/27] ARM64: dts: Define CPU power domain " Lina Iyer

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