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From: Lina Iyer <lina.iyer@linaro.org>
To: Ulf Hansson <ulf.hansson@linaro.org>
Cc: "Kevin Hilman" <khilman@linaro.org>,
	"linux-pm@vger.kernel.org" <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org"
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	"Geert Uytterhoeven" <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	"Krzysztof Kozłowski" <k.kozlowski@samsung.com>,
	msivasub@codeaurora.org, "Andy Gross" <agross@codeaurora.org>,
	"Stephen Boyd" <sboyd@codeaurora.org>,
	"linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org" <linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Lorenzo Pieralisi" <lorenzo.pieralisi@arm.com>,
	"Axel Haslam" <ahaslam@baylibre.com>,
	"Marc Titinger" <mtitinger@baylibre.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 08/27] PM / Domains: Support IRQ safe PM domains
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 09:58:18 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160118165818.GD1651@linaro.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPDyKFo4qe8THwJQd1aNQwpbjV1phOGKz_gEuP-wRD6Dgtx0pg@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 15 2016 at 15:08 -0700, Ulf Hansson wrote:
>[...]
>
>>> I think case 2 and case 3 should be okay to support, but I am really
>>> questioning case 1.
>>>
>> With you other patch, it does make sense to have 2 and 3 instead of 1
>> and 2.
>
>Okay!
>
>> My only concern is as I view the SoC as a whole, there would be cases
>> where the parent domain could only be non-IRQ safe (turning off a big
>> regulator may require some sleep) and the subdomains are quicker and
>> faster IRQ-safe domains. Putting up this restriction, chops up the
>
>Just because they are "quick" (don't sleep) doesn't mean they have to
>set the IRQ safe flag for the domain.
>
>Let's compare how pm_runtime_irq_safe() is used for devices in
>drivers. Lots of corresponding runtime PM callbacks don't sleep, but
>that don't mean that the driver calls pm_runtime_irq_safe().
>
>Drivers that are expecting to invoke pm_runtime_get_sync() (or other
>synchronous runtime PM API) from atomic context, requires the
>corresponding runtime PM callbacks to be IRQ safe. Only under these
>circumstances the pm_runtime_irq_safe() is used.
>
I agree.

The limitation and the interpretation could completely be s/w. There is
nothing preventing that in hardware. So we could have a processor
subsystem domain that can collapse faster and even during cpuidle. We
would define that domain IRQ-safe because of its need to collapse and
resume when IRQs are disabled, but its parent may not have that
restriction, in fact, the parent could have another child that could
only operate as non-IRQ safe.

By imposing the limitation that parents of IRQ-safe domains cannot be 
non-IRQ-safe, we have to chop off that relationship, because of another
non-IRQ-safe sibling.

>> domain hierarchy. Imagine, if you could represent the whole power domain
>> organization in DT, but because of this restriction, we may not be able
>> to do that.
>
>You do have a point. Considering my comment above, do you still think
>this may become an issue?
>
Yes. Pls see my example below.

That said, I probably won't encounter this limitation in my current
series, but its not hard to foresee this corner case.

Thanks,
Lina

  reply	other threads:[~2016-01-18 16:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-17 22:37 [PATCH RFC 00/27] PM/Domains: Cluster idle support for ARM SoCs Lina Iyer
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 01/27] PM / Domains: core changes for multiple states Lina Iyer
2015-12-09 13:58   ` Ulf Hansson
2015-12-17 17:58     ` Axel Haslam
2015-12-17 21:19       ` Ulf Hansson
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 02/27] PM / Domains: Allow domain power states to be read from DT Lina Iyer
2015-12-10 16:53   ` Ulf Hansson
2015-12-15 10:07     ` Marc Titinger
2015-12-15 22:14       ` Lina Iyer
2015-12-16 21:36       ` Lina Iyer
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 03/27] PM / Domain: Add additional state specific param Lina Iyer
2015-11-19 21:33   ` Kevin Hilman
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 04/27] PM / Domains: make governor select deepest state Lina Iyer
2015-12-11  9:13   ` Ulf Hansson
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 05/27] PM / Domains: remove old power on/off latencies Lina Iyer
2015-11-18 14:57   ` [PATCH] ARM: imx6: pm: declare pm domain latency on power_state struct Lina Iyer
2015-11-23 13:31     ` Lucas Stach
2015-11-23 13:42       ` Lucas Stach
2015-12-04 23:19         ` Lina Iyer
2015-12-11  9:16   ` [PATCH RFC 05/27] PM / Domains: remove old power on/off latencies Ulf Hansson
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 06/27] PM / Domains: add debugfs 'states' and 'timings' seq files Lina Iyer
2015-12-11 11:46   ` Ulf Hansson
2015-12-16 11:07     ` Marc Titinger
2015-12-16 12:48       ` Ulf Hansson
2015-12-16 14:12         ` Marc Titinger
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 07/27] PM / Domains: Read domain residency from DT Lina Iyer
2015-11-24 20:41   ` Stephen Boyd
2015-12-11 11:54   ` Ulf Hansson
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 08/27] PM / Domains: Support IRQ safe PM domains Lina Iyer
2016-01-14 14:42   ` Ulf Hansson
2016-01-14 18:33     ` Lina Iyer
2016-01-15  8:55       ` Ulf Hansson
2016-01-15 16:57         ` Lina Iyer
2016-01-15 22:08           ` Ulf Hansson
2016-01-18 16:58             ` Lina Iyer [this message]
2016-01-18 17:00               ` Lina Iyer
2016-01-19 10:01               ` Ulf Hansson
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 09/27] PM / Domains: Attempt runtime suspend of IRQ safe parent domain Lina Iyer
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 10/27] drivers: power: Introduce PM domains for CPUs/clusters Lina Iyer
2015-11-24 20:52   ` Stephen Boyd
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 11/27] drivers: cpu: Define CPU devices as IRQ safe Lina Iyer
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 12/27] ARM: cpuidle: remove cpu parameter from the cpuidle_ops suspend hook Lina Iyer
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 13/27] ARM: cpuidle: Add runtime PM support for CPU idle Lina Iyer
2015-11-18  8:50   ` Zhaoyang Huang
2015-11-18 14:17     ` Lina Iyer
2015-11-19 22:10   ` Kevin Hilman
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 14/27] tick: get next wakeup event for the CPU Lina Iyer
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 15/27] PM / Domains: Add next_wakeup to device's timing data Lina Iyer
2015-11-19 22:19   ` Kevin Hilman
2015-11-20 15:58     ` Lina Iyer
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 16/27] ARM: cpuidle: Record the next wakeup event of the CPU Lina Iyer
2015-11-19 23:35   ` Kevin Hilman
2015-11-20 16:28     ` Lina Iyer
2015-11-24 18:29       ` Kevin Hilman
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 17/27] drivers: cpu-pd: Record CPUs that are part of the domain Lina Iyer
2015-11-24 21:00   ` Stephen Boyd
2015-11-25 14:13     ` Lina Iyer
2015-11-25 19:12       ` Stephen Boyd
2015-11-25 20:20         ` Lina Iyer
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 18/27] drivers: cpu-pd: Add PM Domain governor for CPUs Lina Iyer
2015-11-18 18:42   ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2015-11-19  8:50     ` Marc Titinger
2015-11-20 17:39       ` Lina Iyer
2015-11-19 23:52     ` Kevin Hilman
2015-11-20 16:21       ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2015-11-20 16:42         ` Lina Iyer
2015-11-20  0:03   ` Kevin Hilman
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 19/27] drivers: cpu-pd: Invoke CPU PM runtime on hotplug Lina Iyer
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 20/27] Documentation: ARM: topology: 'cluster' property for cluster nodes Lina Iyer
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 21/27] drivers: cpu-pd: Parse topology to setup CPU PM domains Lina Iyer
2015-12-07 14:54   ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2015-12-08 18:05     ` Lina Iyer
2015-12-10 18:11       ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2015-12-11  9:04         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-12-11 20:51           ` Lina Iyer
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 22/27] drivers: firmware: PSCI: Export psci_has_ext_power_state() Lina Iyer
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 23/27] ARM64: psci: Support cluster idle states for OS-Initated Lina Iyer
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 24/27] arm64: dts: Add Qualcomm MSM8916, MTP8916, APQ8016, SBC8016 ids Lina Iyer
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 25/27] devicetree: bindings: Document qcom,msm-id and qcom,board-id Lina Iyer
2015-11-19 14:36   ` Rob Herring
2015-11-19 15:36     ` Lina Iyer
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 26/27] ARM64: dts: Add PSCI cpuidle support for MSM8916 Lina Iyer
2015-11-17 22:37 ` [PATCH RFC 27/27] ARM64: dts: Define CPU power domain " Lina Iyer

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