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From: Bjorn Andersson <bjorn.andersson@linaro.org>
To: Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>
Cc: linux-efi <linux-efi@vger.kernel.org>,
	Matt Fleming <matt@codeblueprint.co.uk>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
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	"H . Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
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	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
	"Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	Andy Gross <andy.gross@linaro.org>,
	Darren Hart <dvhart@infradead.org>,
	Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
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	Todd Kjos <tkjos@android.com>, Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@surr>
Subject: Re: Do Qualcomm drivers use DMA buffers for request_firmware_into_buf()?
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2018 17:08:08 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180626000808.GE1860@tuxbook-pro> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKv+Gu9yfa=dP-5Fzv8-E6O23zPJXJqquTAt6gCqYyt3OowkvA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu 07 Jun 11:42 PDT 2018, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:

> On 7 June 2018 at 20:21, Bjorn Andersson <bjorn.andersson@linaro.org> wrote:
> > On Thu 07 Jun 09:33 PDT 2018, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
[..]
> >>
> >> Why not just use kmalloc, it will always return a DMAable buffer.
> >>
> >
> > For the buffers being targeted by request_firmware_into_buf() the
> > problem is that some of them has requirements of physical placement and
> > they are all too big for kmalloc() (i.e. tens of mb).
> >
> >
> > For the dma_alloc_coherent() buffer that was mentioned earlier, which is
> > not related to the firmware loading, it's not used because the buffer is
> > passed to secure world, which temporarily locks Linux out from the
> > memory region. Traditionally this region was kmalloc'ed downstream, but
> > due to speculative access violations this code moved to use the DMA
> > streaming API, although there's no actual DMA going on.
> >
> 
> OK, so you are relying on the fact that dma_alloc_coherent() gives you
> a device mapping (because the qcom_scm device is described as non
> cache coherent), but this sounds risky to me. The linear alias of that
> memory will still be mapped cacheable, and could potentially still be
> accessed speculatively AFAIK.
> 

Yes and we are aware of the risk of having the linear alias present, but
have yet to find a suitable way to handle this.

The proposed mechanism was to use reserved-memory and memremap() the
region while it should be available in Linux, but while this would work
for some cases (e.g. memory regions for semi-static firmware executed by
co-processors) it doesn't handle the scenarios where the memory-need is
dynamic.

So suggestions are very welcome on how to better handle this.

Regards,
Bjorn

  reply	other threads:[~2018-06-26  0:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found]           ` <1524632409.3371.48.camel@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
2018-04-25 17:55             ` [PATCH v3 2/5] efi: Add embedded peripheral firmware support Luis R. Rodriguez
2018-05-04  0:21               ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2018-05-04 15:26                 ` Martijn Coenen
2018-05-04 19:44               ` Martijn Coenen
2018-05-08 15:38                 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2018-05-08 16:10                   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2018-06-07 16:49                     ` Bjorn Andersson
2018-06-07 18:22                       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2018-06-01 19:23                   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2018-06-06 20:32                     ` Do Qualcomm drivers use DMA buffers for request_firmware_into_buf()? Luis R. Rodriguez
2018-06-06 20:41                       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-06-06 22:29                         ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2018-06-06 22:41                           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-06-06 22:55                             ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2018-06-07 16:18                       ` Bjorn Andersson
2018-06-07 16:23                         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-06-07 16:33                           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-06-07 16:43                             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-06-07 16:49                               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-06-07 16:56                                 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-06-07 18:21                             ` Bjorn Andersson
2018-06-07 18:42                               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-06-26  0:08                                 ` Bjorn Andersson [this message]
2018-06-27 18:00                                   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2018-06-27 22:21                                     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-06-27 23:33                                       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2018-06-27 23:42                                         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-06-27 23:50                                           ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2018-06-08  6:41                             ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-06-07 18:06                           ` Bjorn Andersson
2018-06-18 23:49                             ` Luis R. Rodriguez

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