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From: Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org>
To: Manivannan Sadhasivam <mani@kernel.org>
Cc: manivannan.sadhasivam@oss.qualcomm.com,
	"Bjorn Helgaas" <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	"Lorenzo Pieralisi" <lpieralisi@kernel.org>,
	"Krzysztof Wilczyński" <kwilczynski@kernel.org>,
	"Rob Herring" <robh@kernel.org>,
	"Keith Busch" <kbusch@kernel.org>, "Jens Axboe" <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	"Christoph Hellwig" <hch@lst.de>,
	"Sagi Grimberg" <sagi@grimberg.me>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org, linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] PCI: Introduce an API to check if RC/platform can retain device context during suspend
Date: Thu, 7 May 2026 18:02:48 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260507230248.GA51586@bhelgaas> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xqwvjygt3bgttbipe6hhnpkfwauczxpoiyfbbakdyzesz6ydcd@en54522wjnar>

On Fri, Apr 17, 2026 at 04:41:09PM +0530, Manivannan Sadhasivam wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 16, 2026 at 02:18:55PM -0500, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 14, 2026 at 09:29:39PM +0530, Manivannan Sadhasivam via B4 Relay wrote:
> > > From: Manivannan Sadhasivam <manivannan.sadhasivam@oss.qualcomm.com>
> > > 
> > > Currently, the PCI endpoint drivers like NVMe checks whether the device
> > > context will be retained or not during system suspend, with the help of
> > > pm_suspend_via_firmware() API.
> > > 
> > > But it is possible that the device context might be lost due to some
> > > platform limitation as well. Having those checks in the endpoint drivers
> > > will not scale and will cause a lot of code duplication.
> ...

> > > + * pci_dev_suspend_retention_supported - Check if the platform can retain the device
> > > + *					 context during system suspend
> > > + * @pdev: PCI device to check
> > > + *
> > > + * Returns true if the platform can guarantee to retain the device context,
> > > + * false otherwise.
> > > + */
> > > +bool pci_dev_suspend_retention_supported(struct pci_dev *pdev)
> > 
> > This doesn't seem like the right name.  This isn't a property of the
> > *device*; that's all determined by the PCI spec (devices must retain
> > all internal state in D0, D1, and D2, they retain it in D3hot if
> > No_Soft_Reset, and they never do in D3cold).
> > 
> > So this seems like something to do with the *platform* behavior.  It
> > sounds like this is basically a way to learn whether the device might
> > be put in D3cold on system suspend.
> 
> That's correct. But I wanted to keep it device specific, since apart
> from pm_suspend_via_firmware() there could be other issues causing
> context to be lost. Like the issue with RC, brought up in the
> successive patches. There could be chances that only one hierarchy
> might be affected. So making it device specific would give us the
> granularity.

OK, a device-specific API is fine.

Maybe it could be something like "pci_suspend_preserves_context()"?

Is it the case that suspend never uses D3cold?  If suspend ever uses
D3cold, *every* device put in D3cold will lose its context.

How would this work if suspend can use D3cold?  Can a driver (or this
API) learn whether D3cold might be used?

  reply	other threads:[~2026-05-07 23:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-14 15:59 [PATCH 0/4] PCI: Introduce pci_dev_suspend_retention_supported() API Manivannan Sadhasivam via B4 Relay
2026-04-14 15:59 ` [PATCH 1/4] PCI: Introduce an API to check if RC/platform can retain device context during suspend Manivannan Sadhasivam via B4 Relay
2026-04-16 19:18   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2026-04-17 11:11     ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2026-05-07 23:02       ` Bjorn Helgaas [this message]
2026-04-14 15:59 ` [PATCH 2/4] PCI: Indicate context lost if L1ss exit is broken during resume from system suspend Manivannan Sadhasivam via B4 Relay
2026-04-14 15:59 ` [PATCH 3/4] PCI: qcom: Indicate broken L1ss exit " Manivannan Sadhasivam via B4 Relay
2026-04-16 19:20   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2026-04-17 12:06     ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2026-04-17 22:26       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2026-04-18  5:39         ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2026-04-20 20:49           ` Bjorn Helgaas
2026-04-21 17:11             ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2026-04-22 23:49               ` Bjorn Helgaas
2026-04-23 15:15                 ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2026-04-14 15:59 ` [PATCH 4/4] nvme-pci: Use pci_dev_suspend_retention_supported() API during suspend Manivannan Sadhasivam via B4 Relay
2026-04-22  6:33   ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-16 19:11 ` [PATCH 0/4] PCI: Introduce pci_dev_suspend_retention_supported() API Bjorn Helgaas
2026-04-17 11:04   ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2026-04-17 22:29     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2026-04-18  5:16       ` Manivannan Sadhasivam

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