From: Neill Kapron <nkapron@google.com>
To: Maxwell Bland <mbland@motorola.com>
Cc: "linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org" <linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org>,
"Andrew Wheeler" <awheeler@motorola.com>,
"Sammy BS2 Que | 阙斌生" <quebs2@motorola.com>,
"Todd Kjos" <tkjos@google.com>,
"Viktor Martensson" <vmartensson@google.com>,
"Andy Lutomirski" <luto@amacapital.net>,
"keescook@chromium.org" <keescook@chromium.org>,
"Will Drewry" <wad@chromium.org>,
"Andy Gross" <agross@kernel.org>,
"Bjorn Andersson" <andersson@kernel.org>,
"Konrad Dybcio" <konrad.dybcio@somainline.org>,
kernel-team <kernel-team@android.com>,
maze@google.com, adelva@google.com, jeffv@google.com
Subject: Re: [RFC] Proposal: Static SECCOMP Policies
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2024 20:57:14 +0000 [thread overview]
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On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 04:02:53PM +0000, Maxwell Bland wrote:
> (Resending as plaintext for msm-kernel mailing list.
> Original message was intended for android kernel team
> though msm-kernel should be aware.)
>
> Hi Kernel Team,
>
> + Kees, Andy, and Will since their input may be valuable.
>
> It has been a while! (~9 months to be exact). This January, I sent out a small
> message on BPF code loading ("unprivileged BPF considered harmful" or something
> like that). In it, I noted new BPF programs are compiled all the time and
> thrown into the kernel. At the time, I did not know these programs were just
> compiled seccomp filter policies, loaded in as new BPF programs continuously
> through the libminijail interface as well as direct syscall. As of two days
> ago, I now know this (and now you do too, if not already).
>
> OK, yes, syscall filtering is very important, but this is creating a catch-22
> issue. For one, see step (4) under "Exploitation overview" for
> https://www.qualys.com/2021/07/20/cve-2021-33909/sequoia-local-privilege-escalation-linux.txt.
> Second, this minor lack of caching is adding load time to more than 90
> binaries/services on the standard QCOM baseline—I'll admit, it is probably
> negligible in the grand scheme of things (a quick approximation puts the data
> operated on around 0.1188 MB). But most importantly, third, without some degree
> of provenance, I have no way of telling if someone has injected malicious code
> into the kernel, and unfortunately even knowing the correct bytes is still
> "iffy", as in order to prevent JIT spray attacks, each of these filters is
> offset by some random number of uint32_t's, making every 4-byte shift of the
> filter a "valid" codepage to be loaded at runtime.
>
> You might be thinking, "but wait, bionic's libc only defines a couple of
> restricted policies, primary and secondary for system and user apps
> respectively." I know! For the most part, apps fall into either what I presume
> is the default app/system policies, but there are lots of QCOM binaries and
> other magic programs (dolby dax) that are sending up these programs as well.
> I'm seeing more than 20 different programs for around a minute's worth of
> runtime. One example is attached at the end.
>
> So, the proposal: a "CONFIG_SECCOMMP_STATIC_POLICY" for seccomp. This
> would change the Android kernel's generic SYS_seccomp call, which takes in a
> filter with an array of BPF instructions, to instead reference an ID which
> corresponds to a fixed file on /sys/bpf/seccomp or something like that. The
> sandboxing behavior of these apps should be known at compile-time, even if
> there are multiple "permission set types" that may need to be dispatched. User
> apps should always have a single, fixed policy. This way it is possible to say
> for every code page loaded into the kernel where it came from and what it
> should look like.
>
> Unfortunately, I do not know Motorola has enough "weight" to convince QCOM to
> do the right foundational thing here, or to "define" the seccomp APIs for
> Android, so it would be good to have Google's buy in, know if there are plans
> to fix this issue, or some discussion of how to best fix the problem? If
> anything, a contact at QCOM that might be able to actually hunt down and
> document valid bytes for these policies?
>
> The end goal is simple: when we see a code page is allocated in the kernel, we
> can be sure that (1) it isn't malicious and (2) has not been modified in
> transit. I'm fine putting code where my mouth is, but right now that code
> would involve having to fingerprint the signatures loaded by Qualcomm
> components every time a new one is released, or pinging Google with a huge
> patch changing how seccomp works with no idea of what requirements QCOM may
> have on seccomp policy generation.
>
> Thoughts? Is this doable, and if not, why? I'd also love help with the code and
> adapting existing minijail code to use a new, more integrity-preserving
> interface. If I am mistaken and it is possible to grab out valid BPF policy
> code at compile time, please let me know how!
>
> Regards,
> Maxwell Bland
>
> Standard filter, (from, for example, com.google.android.gms)
> "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",
> Unknown filter (from QCOM's /vendor/bin/qesdk-secmanager)
> "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",
>
> List of services loading seccomp filters pulled from one run of the phone:
> com.google.android.deskclock
> /vendor/bin/qesdk-secmanager
> media.hwcodec/vendor.qti.media.c2@1.0-service
> media.audio.qc.codec.qti.media.c2audio@1.0-service
> /vendor/bin/vendor.qti.qspmhal-service
> /vendor/bin/qsap_sensors
> media.extractoraextractor
> /system_ext/bin/perfservice
> /vendor/bin/wfdhdcphalservice
> /vendor/bin/wifidisplayhalservice
> /vendor/bin/qsap_dcfd
> /vendor/bin/qms
> /vendor/bin/qsap_location
> /vendor/bin/qsap_qapeservice
> /vendor/bin/wfdvndservice
> media.swcodecoid.media.swcodec/bin/mediaswcodec
> /vendor/bin/hw/qcrilNrd
> qsap_qms_13qms16
> qsap_qms_24qms17
> /vendor/bin/ATFWD-daemon
> /vendor/bin/hw/sxrservice
> /vendor/bin/hw/qcrilNrd-c2
> system_server
> /vendor/bin/qmi_motext_hook1013170
> /vendor/bin/qmi_motext_hook1013171
> /vendor/bin/ims_rtp_daemon
> com.android.systemui
> webview_zygote
> com.dolby.daxservice
> vendor.qti.qesdk.sysservice
> org.codeaurora.ims
> com.android.se
> com.android.phone
> com.qti.qcc
> com.google.android.ext.services
> com.google.android.gms
> com.google.android.euicc
> com.google.android.googlequicksearchbox:interactor
> com.google.android.apps.messaging:rcs
> com.android.nfc
> com.qualcomm.qti.workloadclassifier
> com.qualcomm.location
> com.google.android.gms.unstable
> com.thundercomm.ar.core
> com.android.vending:background
> com.android.vending:quick_launch
> com.android.dynsystem
> com.android.managedprovisioning
> com.android.shell
+ Jeff, Alistair, and Maciej
Maxwell,
Thanks for the details on this, I have added several people who may be
better suited to comment on this.
Neill
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-09-12 20:57 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-09-12 16:02 [RFC] Proposal: Static SECCOMP Policies Maxwell Bland
2024-09-12 20:57 ` Neill Kapron [this message]
2024-09-12 21:39 ` Maciej Żenczykowski
2024-09-13 17:07 ` [External] " Maxwell Bland
2024-09-13 17:12 ` Maxwell Bland
2024-09-13 17:30 ` Maxwell Bland
2024-09-14 4:18 ` Andy Lutomirski
2024-09-17 15:08 ` Maxwell Bland
2024-09-25 18:16 ` Andy Lutomirski
2024-09-25 19:52 ` Maciej Żenczykowski
2024-09-25 19:53 ` Maciej Żenczykowski
2024-09-30 11:22 ` Sebastian Ene
2024-09-30 18:43 ` Maxwell Bland
2024-09-30 23:35 ` Maciej Żenczykowski
2024-09-30 23:41 ` Maciej Żenczykowski
2024-10-01 16:34 ` Maxwell Bland
2024-09-13 18:17 ` Maxwell Bland
2024-09-13 21:16 ` [External] " Maciej Żenczykowski
2024-09-16 22:17 ` Maxwell Bland
2024-09-16 22:50 ` Maciej Żenczykowski
2024-09-17 15:15 ` Maxwell Bland
2024-09-18 19:22 ` Maxwell Bland
2024-09-17 7:34 ` Kees Cook
2024-09-17 16:54 ` Maxwell Bland
2024-09-17 17:01 ` Maxwell Bland
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