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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Fuad Tabba <tabba@google.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v12 00/18] KVM: Mapping guest_memfd backed memory at the host for software protected VMs
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2025 10:50:41 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aFrlcYYM5k5kstUO@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+EHjTyginj74a+A58aAODZ72q9bye5Gm=pTxMmLHrqrRxaSww@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jun 24, 2025, Fuad Tabba wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 at 12:44, David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 24.06.25 12:25, Fuad Tabba wrote:
> > > Hi David,
> > >
> > > On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 at 11:16, David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On 24.06.25 12:02, Fuad Tabba wrote:
> > >>> Hi,
> > >>>
> > >>> Before I respin this, I thought I'd outline the planned changes for
> > >>> V13, especially since it involves a lot of repainting. I hope that
> > >>> by presenting this first, we could reduce the number of times I'll
> > >>> need to respin it.
> > >>>
> > >>> In struct kvm_arch: add bool supports_gmem instead of renaming
> > >>> has_private_mem
> > >>>
> > >>> The guest_memfd flag GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_SUPPORT_SHARED should be
> > >>> called GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_MMAP
> > >>>
> > >>> The memslot internal flag KVM_MEMSLOT_SUPPORTS_GMEM_SHARED should be
> > >>> called KVM_MEMSLOT_SUPPORTS_GMEM_MMAP

This one...

> > >>> kvm_arch_supports_gmem_shared_mem() should be called
> > >>> kvm_arch_supports_gmem_mmap()
> > >>>
> > >>> kvm_gmem_memslot_supports_shared() should be called
> > >>> kvm_gmem_memslot_supports_mmap()

...and this one are the only names I don't like.  Explanation below.

> > >>> Rename  kvm_slot_can_be_private() to kvm_slot_has_gmem(): since
> > >>> private does imply that it has gmem
> > >>
> > >> Right. It's a little more tricky in reality at least with this series:
> > >> without in-place conversion, not all gmem can have private memory. But
> > >> the places that check kvm_slot_can_be_private() likely only care about
> > >> if this memslot is backed by gmem.
> > >
> > > Exactly. Reading the code, all the places that check
> > > kvm_slot_can_be_private() are really checking whether the slot has gmem.

Yeah, I'm fine with this change.  There are a few KVM x86 uses where
kvm_slot_can_be_private() is slightly better in a vacuum, but in all but one of
those cases, the check immediately gates a kvm_gmem_xxx() call.  I.e. when
looking at the code as a whole, I think kvm_slot_has_gmem() will be easier for
new readers to understand.

The only outlier is kvm_mmu_max_mapping_level(), but that'll probably get ripped
apart by this series, i.e. I'm guessing kvm_slot_has_gmem() will probably work
out better there too.

> > > After this series, if a caller is interested in finding out whether a
> > > slot can be private could achieve the same effect by checking that a gmem
> > > slot doesn't support mmap (i.e., kvm_slot_has_gmem() &&
> > > kvm_arch_supports_gmem_mmap() ). If that happens, we can reintroduce
> > > kvm_slot_can_be_private() as such.
> > >
> > > Otherwise, I could keep it and already define it as so. What do you think?
> > >
> > >> Sean also raised a "kvm_is_memslot_gmem_only()", how did you end up
> > >> calling that?
> > >
> > > Good point, I'd missed that. Isn't it true that
> > > kvm_is_memslot_gmem_only() is synonymous (at least for now) with
> > > kvm_gmem_memslot_supports_mmap()?
> >
> > Yes. I think having a simple kvm_is_memslot_gmem_only() helper might
> > make fault handling code easier to read, though.

Yep, exactly.  The fact that a memslot is bound to a guest_memfd instance that
supports mmap() isn't actually what KVM cares about.  The important part is that
the userspace_addr in the memslot needs to be ignored when mapping memory into
the guest, because the bound guest_memfd is the single source of truth for guest
mappings.

E.g. userspace could actually point userspace_addr at a completely different
mapping, in which case walking the userspace page tables to get the max mapping
size would be all kinds of wrong.

KVM will still use userspace_addr when access guest memory from within KVM,
but that's not dangerous to the host kernel/KVM, only to the guest (and userspace
is firmly in the TCB for that side of things).

So I think KVM_MEMSLOT_IS_GMEM_ONLY and kvm_is_memslot_gmem_only()?

Those names are technically not entirely true, because as above, there is no
guarantee that userspace_addr actually points at the bound guest_memfd.  But
for all intents and purposes, that will hold true for all non-buggy setups.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-24 17:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-11 13:33 [PATCH v12 00/18] KVM: Mapping guest_memfd backed memory at the host for software protected VMs Fuad Tabba
2025-06-11 13:33 ` [PATCH v12 01/18] KVM: Rename CONFIG_KVM_PRIVATE_MEM to CONFIG_KVM_GMEM Fuad Tabba
2025-06-11 13:33 ` [PATCH v12 02/18] KVM: Rename CONFIG_KVM_GENERIC_PRIVATE_MEM to CONFIG_KVM_GENERIC_GMEM_POPULATE Fuad Tabba
2025-06-11 13:33 ` [PATCH v12 03/18] KVM: Rename kvm_arch_has_private_mem() to kvm_arch_supports_gmem() Fuad Tabba
2025-06-11 13:33 ` [PATCH v12 04/18] KVM: x86: Rename kvm->arch.has_private_mem to kvm->arch.supports_gmem Fuad Tabba
2025-06-13 13:57   ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-13 20:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-06-16  7:13     ` Fuad Tabba
2025-06-16 14:20       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-24 20:51     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-25  6:33       ` Roy, Patrick
2025-06-11 13:33 ` [PATCH v12 05/18] KVM: Rename kvm_slot_can_be_private() to kvm_slot_has_gmem() Fuad Tabba
2025-06-11 13:33 ` [PATCH v12 06/18] KVM: Fix comments that refer to slots_lock Fuad Tabba
2025-06-11 13:33 ` [PATCH v12 07/18] KVM: Fix comment that refers to kvm uapi header path Fuad Tabba
2025-06-11 13:33 ` [PATCH v12 08/18] KVM: guest_memfd: Allow host to map guest_memfd pages Fuad Tabba
2025-06-12 16:16   ` Shivank Garg
2025-06-13 21:03   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-06-13 21:18     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-13 22:48     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-06-16  6:52     ` Fuad Tabba
2025-06-16 14:16       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-17 23:04       ` Sean Christopherson
2025-06-18 11:18         ` Fuad Tabba
2025-06-16 13:44     ` Ira Weiny
2025-06-16 14:03       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-16 14:16         ` Fuad Tabba
2025-06-16 14:25           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-18  0:40             ` Sean Christopherson
2025-06-18  8:15               ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-18  9:20                 ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-06-18  9:27                   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-18  9:44                     ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-06-18  9:59                       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-18 10:42                         ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-06-18 11:14                           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-18 12:17                             ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-06-18 13:16                               ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-19  1:48                 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-06-19  1:50                   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-06-18  9:25     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-25 21:47   ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-11 13:33 ` [PATCH v12 09/18] KVM: guest_memfd: Track shared memory support in memslot Fuad Tabba
2025-06-11 13:33 ` [PATCH v12 10/18] KVM: x86/mmu: Handle guest page faults for guest_memfd with shared memory Fuad Tabba
2025-06-13 22:08   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-06-24 23:40     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-27 15:01       ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-30  8:07         ` Fuad Tabba
2025-06-30 14:44           ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-30 15:08             ` Fuad Tabba
2025-06-30 19:26               ` Shivank Garg
2025-06-30 20:03                 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-01 14:15                   ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-01 14:44                     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-08  0:05                       ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-08 13:44                         ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-11 13:33 ` [PATCH v12 11/18] KVM: x86: Consult guest_memfd when computing max_mapping_level Fuad Tabba
2025-06-11 13:33 ` [PATCH v12 12/18] KVM: x86: Enable guest_memfd shared memory for non-CoCo VMs Fuad Tabba
2025-06-11 13:33 ` [PATCH v12 13/18] KVM: arm64: Refactor user_mem_abort() Fuad Tabba
2025-06-11 13:33 ` [PATCH v12 14/18] KVM: arm64: Handle guest_memfd-backed guest page faults Fuad Tabba
2025-06-12 17:33   ` James Houghton
2025-06-11 13:33 ` [PATCH v12 15/18] KVM: arm64: Enable host mapping of shared guest_memfd memory Fuad Tabba
2025-06-11 13:33 ` [PATCH v12 16/18] KVM: Introduce the KVM capability KVM_CAP_GMEM_SHARED_MEM Fuad Tabba
2025-06-11 13:33 ` [PATCH v12 17/18] KVM: selftests: Don't use hardcoded page sizes in guest_memfd test Fuad Tabba
2025-06-12 16:24   ` Shivank Garg
2025-06-11 13:33 ` [PATCH v12 18/18] KVM: selftests: guest_memfd mmap() test when mapping is allowed Fuad Tabba
2025-06-12 16:23   ` Shivank Garg
2025-06-12 17:38 ` [PATCH v12 00/18] KVM: Mapping guest_memfd backed memory at the host for software protected VMs David Hildenbrand
2025-06-24 10:02   ` Fuad Tabba
2025-06-24 10:16     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-24 10:25       ` Fuad Tabba
2025-06-24 11:44         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-24 11:58           ` Fuad Tabba
2025-06-24 17:50             ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2025-06-25  8:00               ` Fuad Tabba
2025-06-25 14:07                 ` Sean Christopherson

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