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From: Nicolin Chen <nicolinc@nvidia.com>
To: "Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@intel.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 02/20] iommu: Introduce a test_dev domain op and an internal helper
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2025 10:18:01 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aQuU2dic75VkSyjr@Asurada-Nvidia> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BN9PR11MB527638C0E43E8AA000410B878CC5A@BN9PR11MB5276.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

On Wed, Nov 05, 2025 at 06:57:31AM +0000, Tian, Kevin wrote:
> > From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2025 2:54 AM
> > 
> > On Thu, Oct 30, 2025 at 12:43:59PM -0700, Nicolin Chen wrote:
> > 
> > > FWIW, I am thinking of another design based on Jason's remarks:
> > > https://lore.kernel.org/linux-iommu/aQBopHFub8wyQh5C@Asurada-
> > Nvidia/
> > >
> > > So, instead of core initiating the round trip between the blocking
> > > domain and group->domain, it forwards dev_reset_prepare/done to the
> > > driver where it does a low-level attachment that wouldn't fail:
> > >   For SMMUv3, it's an STE update.
> > >   For intel_iommu, it seems to be the context table update?
> > 
> > Kevin, how bad do you think the UAPI issue is if we ignore it?
> > 
> 
> yeah probably better to leave it. I didn't see a clean way and the
> value didn't justify the complexity.
> 
> Regarding to PF reset, it's a devastating operation while the vf user
> is operating the vf w/o any awareness. there must be certain
> coordination in userspace. otherwise nobody can recover the
> registers. Comparing to that, solving the domain attach problem
> is less important...

If I capture these correctly, we should go with a -EBUSY version:
 - Reject concurrent attachments during a device reset
 - Skip reset for devices having sibling group devices
 - Allow PF to stop IOMMU, ignoring VFs
?

That sounds pretty much like this v4:
https://lore.kernel.org/linux-iommu/0f6021b500c74db33af8118210dd7a2b2fd31b3c.1756682135.git.nicolinc@nvidia.com/
by dropping the SRIOV concern.

Thanks
Nicolin

  reply	other threads:[~2025-11-05 18:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-13  0:04 [PATCH v1 00/20] iommu: Introduce and roll out test_dev domain op Nicolin Chen
2025-10-13  0:04 ` [PATCH v1 01/20] iommu: Lock group->mutex in iommu_deferred_attach() Nicolin Chen
2025-10-13  0:04 ` [PATCH v1 02/20] iommu: Introduce a test_dev domain op and an internal helper Nicolin Chen
2025-10-13  9:53   ` Niklas Schnelle
2025-10-13 17:22     ` Nicolin Chen
2025-10-14 14:20       ` Niklas Schnelle
2025-10-20 16:27   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-20 18:51     ` Nicolin Chen
2025-10-27 23:23       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-28  4:37         ` Nicolin Chen
2025-10-27 23:18   ` Nicolin Chen
2025-10-30  8:47   ` Tian, Kevin
2025-10-30 19:43     ` Nicolin Chen
2025-11-03 18:54       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-05  6:57         ` Tian, Kevin
2025-11-05 18:18           ` Nicolin Chen [this message]
2025-11-07 18:54             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-07 18:58               ` Nicolin Chen
2025-10-13  0:05 ` [PATCH v1 03/20] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Implement arm_smmu_domain_test_dev Nicolin Chen
2025-10-20 16:32   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-20 20:08     ` Nicolin Chen
2025-10-27 23:26       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-28  6:54         ` Nicolin Chen
2025-10-13  0:05 ` [PATCH v1 04/20] iommu/intel: Implement test_dev callbacks to domain ops Nicolin Chen
2025-10-13  0:05 ` [PATCH v1 05/20] iommu/amd: " Nicolin Chen
2025-10-13  0:05 ` [PATCH v1 06/20] iommu/arm-smmu: Implement arm_smmu_test_dev Nicolin Chen
2025-10-13  0:05 ` [PATCH v1 07/20] iommu/qcom_iommu: Implement test_dev callbacks to domain ops Nicolin Chen
2025-10-13  0:05 ` [PATCH v1 08/20] iommu/riscv: Implement riscv_iommu_test_paging_domain Nicolin Chen
2025-10-13  0:05 ` [PATCH v1 09/20] iommu/mkt_iommu: Implement mtk_iommu_test_device Nicolin Chen
2025-10-13  0:05 ` [PATCH v1 10/20] iommu/apple-dart: Implement test_dev callbacks to domain ops Nicolin Chen
2025-10-13  0:05 ` [PATCH v1 11/20] iommu/ipmmu-vmsa: Implement ipmmu_domain_test_device Nicolin Chen
2025-10-13  0:05 ` [PATCH v1 12/20] iommu/sun50i-iommu: Implement sun50i_iommu_domain_test_device Nicolin Chen
2025-10-13  0:05 ` [PATCH v1 13/20] iommu/rockchip-iommu: Implement rk_iommu_identity_test_dev Nicolin Chen
2025-10-13  0:05 ` [PATCH v1 14/20] iommu/msm_iommu: Implement msm_iommu_domain_test_dev Nicolin Chen
2025-10-13  0:05 ` [PATCH v1 15/20] iommu/fsl_pamu_domain: Implement fsl_pamu_domain_test_device Nicolin Chen
2025-10-15 22:02   ` Nicolin Chen
2025-10-13  0:05 ` [PATCH v1 16/20] iommu/omap-iommu: Implement omap_iommu_domain_test_dev Nicolin Chen
2025-10-13  0:05 ` [PATCH v1 17/20] iommu/s390-iommu: Implement s390_iommu_domain_test_device Nicolin Chen
2025-10-13  9:59   ` Niklas Schnelle
2025-10-13  0:05 ` [PATCH v1 18/20] iommufd/selftest: Implement mock_domain_nop_test Nicolin Chen
2025-10-13  0:05 ` [PATCH v1 19/20] iommu/virtio-iommu: Implement viommu_domain_test_dev Nicolin Chen
2025-10-13  0:05 ` [PATCH v1 20/20] iommu/tegra-smmu: Implement tegra_smmu_domain_test_dev Nicolin Chen
2025-10-20 16:24 ` [PATCH v1 00/20] iommu: Introduce and roll out test_dev domain op Jason Gunthorpe

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