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From: Tomi Valkeinen <tomi.valkeinen@ideasonboard.com>
To: Sui Jingfeng <sui.jingfeng@linux.dev>,
	Dmitry Baryshkov <dmitry.baryshkov@linaro.org>,
	Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>
Cc: Thomas Zimmermann <tzimmermann@suse.de>,
	maarten.lankhorst@linux.intel.com, mripard@kernel.org,
	airlied@gmail.com, simona@ffwll.ch,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
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	Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 25/25] drm/xlnx: Compute dumb-buffer sizes with drm_mode_size_dumb()
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2025 17:22:51 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <cf34be39-ce92-4ea5-b548-03008c163d31@ideasonboard.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f4562dbf-b132-4cfd-8f7e-43cd69f2673f@linux.dev>

On 19/01/2025 16:59, Sui Jingfeng wrote:

>>>> But userspace must be able to continue allocating YUV buffers through
>>>> CREATE_DUMB.
>>>
>>> I think, allocating YUV buffers through CREATE_DUMB interface is just
>>> an *abuse* and *misuse* of this API for now.
>>>
>>> Take the NV12 format as an example, NV12 is YUV420 planar format, have
>>> two planar: the Y-planar and the UV-planar. The Y-planar appear first
>>> in memory as an array of unsigned char values. The Y-planar is followed
>>> immediately by the UV-planar, which is also an array of unsigned char
>>> values that contains packed U (Cb) and V (Cr) samples.
>>>
>>> But the 'drm_mode_create_dumb' structure is only intend to provide
>>> descriptions for *one* planar.
>>>
>>> struct drm_mode_create_dumb {
>>>      __u32 height;
>>>      __u32 width;
>>>      __u32 bpp;
>>>      __u32 flags;
>>>      __u32 handle;
>>>      __u32 pitch;
>>>      __u64 size;
>>> };
>>>
>>> An width x height NV12 image takes up width*height*(1 + 1/4 + 1/4) 
>>> bytes.
>>>
>>> So we can allocate an *equivalent* sized buffer to store the NV12 raw 
>>> data.
>>>
>>> Either 'width * (height * 3/2)' where each pixel take up 8 bits,
>>> or just 'with * height' where each pixels take up 12 bits.
>>>
>>> However, all those math are just equivalents description to the original
>>> NV12 format, neither are concrete correct physical description.
>>
>> I don't see the problem. Allocating dumb buffers, if we don't have any 
>> heuristics related to RGB behind it, is essentially just allocating a 
>> specific amount of memory, defined by width, height and bitsperpixel.
>>
> I think, the problem will be that the 'width', 'height' and 'bpp'
> are originally used to describe one plane. Those three parameters
> has perfectly defined physical semantics.
> 
> But with multi planar formats, take NV12 image as an example,
> for a 2×2 square of pixels, there are 4 Y samples but only 1 U
> sample and 1 V sample. This format requires 4x8+1x8+1x8=48 bits
> to store the 2x2 square.
> 
> So its depth is 12 bits per pixel (48 / (2 * 2)).
> 
> so my problem is that the mentioned 12bpp in this example only
> make sense in mathematics, it doesn't has a good physical
> interpret. Do you agree with me on this technique point?
> 
>> If I want to create an NV12 framebuffer, I allocate two dumb buffers, 
>> one for Y and one for UV planes, and size them accordingly. And then 
>> create the DRM framebuffer with those.
>>
> Then how you fill the value of the 'width', 'height' and 'bpp' of each 
> dumb buffers?

For 640x480-NV12:
plane 0: width = 640, height = 480, bpp = 8
plane 1: width = 640 / 2, height = 480 / 2, bpp = 16

> Why not allocate storage for the whole on one shoot?

You can, if you adjust the parameters accordingly. However, if the 
strides of the planes are not equal, I guess it might cause problems on 
some platforms.

But I think it's usually simpler to allocate one buffer per plane, and 
perhaps even better as it doesn't require as large contiguous memory area.

> The modetest in libdrm can be an good example, send it[1] to you as an 
> reference.

Right, so modetest already does it successfully. So... What is the issue?

Everyone agrees that CREATE_DUMB is not the best ioctl to allocate 
buffers, and one can't consider it to work identically across the 
platforms. But it's what we have and what has been used for ages.

  Tomi


  reply	other threads:[~2025-01-19 15:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-09 14:56 [PATCH v2 00/25] drm/dumb-buffers: Fix and improve buffer-size calculation Thomas Zimmermann
2025-01-09 14:56 ` [PATCH v2 01/25] drm/dumb-buffers: Sanitize output on errors Thomas Zimmermann
2025-01-09 14:56 ` [PATCH v2 02/25] drm/dumb-buffers: Provide helper to set pitch and size Thomas Zimmermann
2025-01-10  1:49   ` Andy Yan
2025-01-10 13:23     ` [PATCH " Thomas Zimmermann
2025-01-13  3:53       ` Andy Yan
2025-01-13  7:52         ` Thomas Zimmermann
2025-01-09 14:56 ` [PATCH v2 03/25] drm/gem-dma: Compute dumb-buffer sizes with drm_mode_size_dumb() Thomas Zimmermann
2025-01-09 14:56 ` [PATCH v2 04/25] drm/gem-shmem: " Thomas Zimmermann
2025-01-09 14:56 ` [PATCH v2 05/25] drm/gem-vram: " Thomas Zimmermann
2025-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v2 06/25] drm/armada: " Thomas Zimmermann
2025-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v2 07/25] drm/exynos: " Thomas Zimmermann
2025-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v2 08/25] drm/gma500: " Thomas Zimmermann
2025-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v2 09/25] drm/hibmc: " Thomas Zimmermann
2025-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v2 10/25] drm/imx/ipuv3: " Thomas Zimmermann
2025-01-10  8:06   ` Philipp Zabel
2025-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v2 11/25] drm/loongson: " Thomas Zimmermann
2025-01-15  3:50   ` Sui Jingfeng
2025-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v2 12/25] drm/mediatek: " Thomas Zimmermann
2025-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v2 13/25] drm/msm: " Thomas Zimmermann
2025-01-13  8:25   ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2025-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v2 14/25] drm/nouveau: " Thomas Zimmermann
2025-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v2 15/25] drm/omapdrm: " Thomas Zimmermann
2025-01-14 14:04   ` Tomi Valkeinen
2025-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v2 16/25] drm/qxl: " Thomas Zimmermann
2025-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v2 17/25] drm/renesas/rcar-du: " Thomas Zimmermann
2025-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v2 18/25] drm/renesas/rz-du: " Thomas Zimmermann
2025-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v2 19/25] drm/rockchip: " Thomas Zimmermann
2025-01-09 22:59   ` Heiko Stübner
2025-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v2 20/25] drm/tegra: " Thomas Zimmermann
2025-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v2 21/25] drm/virtio: " Thomas Zimmermann
2025-02-20 16:10   ` Dmitry Osipenko
2025-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v2 22/25] drm/vmwgfx: " Thomas Zimmermann
2025-01-10 18:18   ` Zack Rusin
2025-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v2 23/25] drm/xe: " Thomas Zimmermann
2025-01-09 16:05   ` Matthew Auld
2025-01-09 16:26     ` Thomas Zimmermann
2025-01-09 17:15       ` Matthew Auld
2025-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v2 24/25] drm/xen: " Thomas Zimmermann
2025-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v2 25/25] drm/xlnx: " Thomas Zimmermann
2025-01-15 10:13   ` Tomi Valkeinen
2025-01-15 10:26     ` Thomas Zimmermann
2025-01-15 10:58       ` Tomi Valkeinen
2025-01-15 11:37         ` Thomas Zimmermann
2025-01-15 12:06           ` Tomi Valkeinen
2025-01-15 12:34             ` Thomas Zimmermann
2025-01-15 13:33               ` Tomi Valkeinen
2025-01-15 13:45                 ` Thomas Zimmermann
2025-01-15 14:20                   ` Tomi Valkeinen
2025-01-15 14:34                     ` Daniel Stone
2025-01-16  8:43                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-01-16  9:38                         ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-01-16 10:07                           ` Tomi Valkeinen
2025-01-19 17:08                             ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-01-16  8:09                     ` Thomas Zimmermann
2025-01-16 10:03                       ` Tomi Valkeinen
2025-01-16 10:17                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-01-16 10:26                           ` Tomi Valkeinen
2025-01-16 10:35                           ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2025-01-16 12:24                             ` Daniel Stone
2025-01-19 11:29                             ` Sui Jingfeng
2025-01-19 12:18                               ` Tomi Valkeinen
2025-01-19 14:59                                 ` Sui Jingfeng
2025-01-19 15:22                                   ` Tomi Valkeinen [this message]
2025-01-19 16:26                                     ` Sui Jingfeng
2025-01-19 20:14                                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-01-20  7:04                                         ` Sui Jingfeng
2025-01-20  3:34                           ` Sui Jingfeng
2025-01-20  7:49                         ` Thomas Zimmermann
2025-01-20  8:51                           ` Tomi Valkeinen
2025-01-20  8:57                             ` Thomas Zimmermann
2025-01-20  7:54                         ` Thomas Zimmermann

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