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From: Wesley Cheng <quic_wcheng@quicinc.com>
To: Pierre-Louis Bossart <pierre-louis.bossart@linux.intel.com>,
	<mathias.nyman@intel.com>, <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	<lgirdwood@gmail.com>, <broonie@kernel.org>, <perex@perex.cz>,
	<tiwai@suse.com>, <agross@kernel.org>, <andersson@kernel.org>,
	<konrad.dybcio@linaro.org>, <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
	<krzysztof.kozlowski+dt@linaro.org>, <conor+dt@kernel.org>,
	<srinivas.kandagatla@linaro.org>, <bgoswami@quicinc.com>,
	<Thinh.Nguyen@synopsys.com>
Cc: <linux-usb@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	<alsa-devel@alsa-project.org>, <linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org>,
	<devicetree@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 09/34] ASoC: qcom: qdsp6: Introduce USB AFE port to q6dsp
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2023 12:36:12 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <fcaa93ba-3ca4-5a18-d3bd-afebe8def327@quicinc.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2f05708e-3ee8-472e-a24f-6f3eb118133c@linux.intel.com>

Hi Pierre,

On 10/18/2023 6:47 AM, Pierre-Louis Bossart wrote:
> 
>>>> Specifically, the QC ADSP can support all potential endpoints that are
>>>> exposed by the audio data interface.  This includes, feedback endpoints
>>>> (both implicit and explicit) as well as the isochronous (data)
>>>> endpoints.
>>>
>>> implicit feedback means support for capture. This is confusing...
>>>
>>
>> I mean, a USB device can expose a capture path, but as of now, we won't
>> enable the offloading to the audio DSP for it.  However, if we're
>> executing playback, and device does support implicit feedback, we will
>> pass that along to the audio DSP to utilize.
> 
> Not following. Implicit feedback means a capture stream *SHALL* be
> started. Are you saying this capture stream is hidden and handled at the
> DSP level only? If yes, what prevents you from exposing the capture
> stream to userspace as well?
> 
> I must be missing something.
> 

My understanding is that with implicit feedback endpoints, it allows for 
another data endpoint in the opposite direction to be utilized as a 
feedback endpoint (versus having to expose another EP, such as in the 
case of explicit feedback).  For example, if we are enabling the 
playback path (and the device does have a capture data ep) then the data 
ep used for the capture path can be used.

USB2.0 spec, section 5.12.4.3 (Implicit Feedback)
"
Two cases can arise:
• One or more asynchronous sink endpoints are accompanied by an 
asynchronous source endpoint. The
data rate on the source endpoint can be used as implicit feedback 
information to adjust the data rate on
the sink endpoint(s).
• One or more adaptive source endpoints are accompanied by an adaptive 
sink endpoint. The source
endpoint can adjust its data rate based on the data rate received by the 
sink endpoint.
"

The DSP will get this as part of the USB sync endpoint information which 
it will use to enable this EP.

>>>>    +static const struct snd_soc_dai_ops q6usb_ops = {
>>>> +    .probe        = msm_dai_q6_dai_probe,
>>>> +    .prepare    = q6afe_dai_prepare,
>>>> +    .hw_params    = q6usb_hw_params,
>>>
>>> this is rather confusing with two different layers used for hw_params
>>> and prepare? Additional comments or explanations wouldn't hurt.
>>>
>>
>> I thought this was how the ASoC design was.  Each DAI defined for a
>> particular path has it own set of callbacks implemented to bring up any
>> required resources for that entity.  So in this case, it initializes the
>> "cpu" DAI, which is the main component that handles communication with
>> the audio DSP.
> 
> Usually prepare and hw_params rely on the type of DAI callbacks, but
> here you are mixing "q6afe" and "q6usb" which are shown in your Patch0
> diagram as "cpu" and "codec" dais respectively. I don't think it's
> correct to tie the two, it's a clear layering violation IMHO. The codec
> dai .prepare should not invoke something that modifies the state of the
> CPU dai, which should have its own .prepare callback.

OK, I think I know where the misunderstanding is.  The API callback for 
hw_params() that is being registered here exists in q6afe, but with the 
q6usb prefix.  I will fix that in the next rev.

Thanks
Wesley Cheng

  reply	other threads:[~2023-10-18 19:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-17 20:00 [PATCH v9 00/34] Introduce QC USB SND audio offloading support Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:00 ` [PATCH v9 01/34] xhci: split free interrupter into separate remove and free parts Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:00 ` [PATCH v9 02/34] xhci: add support to allocate several interrupters Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:00 ` [PATCH v9 03/34] xhci: add helper to stop endpoint and wait for completion Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:00 ` [PATCH v9 04/34] xhci: sideband: add initial api to register a sideband entity Wesley Cheng
2023-10-25  3:24   ` Albert Wang
2023-10-17 20:00 ` [PATCH v9 05/34] usb: host: xhci-mem: Cleanup pending secondary event ring events Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:00 ` [PATCH v9 06/34] usb: host: xhci-mem: Allow for interrupter clients to choose specific index Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:00 ` [PATCH v9 07/34] ASoC: Add SOC USB APIs for adding an USB backend Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 21:48   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2023-10-18  2:07     ` Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:00 ` [PATCH v9 08/34] ASoC: dt-bindings: qcom,q6dsp-lpass-ports: Add USB_RX port Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:00 ` [PATCH v9 09/34] ASoC: qcom: qdsp6: Introduce USB AFE port to q6dsp Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 21:32   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2023-10-18  1:45     ` Wesley Cheng
2023-10-18 13:47       ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2023-10-18 19:36         ` Wesley Cheng [this message]
2023-10-19  1:00           ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2023-10-19 18:42             ` Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:00 ` [PATCH v9 10/34] ASoC: qdsp6: q6afe: Increase APR timeout Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:00 ` [PATCH v9 11/34] ASoC: qcom: qdsp6: Add USB backend ASoC driver for Q6 Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 21:46   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2023-10-17 20:00 ` [PATCH v9 12/34] ALSA: usb-audio: Introduce USB SND platform op callbacks Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:00 ` [PATCH v9 13/34] ALSA: usb-audio: Export USB SND APIs for modules Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:00 ` [PATCH v9 14/34] dt-bindings: usb: xhci: Add num-hc-interrupters definition Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:00 ` [PATCH v9 15/34] dt-bindings: usb: dwc3: Limit " Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:00 ` [PATCH v9 16/34] usb: dwc3: Specify maximum number of XHCI interrupters Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:00 ` [PATCH v9 17/34] usb: host: xhci-plat: Set XHCI max interrupters if property is present Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:00 ` [PATCH v9 18/34] ALSA: usb-audio: qcom: Add USB QMI definitions Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:00 ` [PATCH v9 19/34] ALSA: usb-audio: qcom: Introduce QC USB SND offloading support Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 23:21   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2023-10-17 20:00 ` [PATCH v9 20/34] ALSA: usb-audio: Check for support for requested audio format Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 22:29   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2023-10-18 20:21     ` Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:00 ` [PATCH v9 21/34] ASoC: usb: Add PCM format check API for USB backend Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 22:33   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2023-10-18 20:33     ` Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:00 ` [PATCH v9 22/34] ASoC: qcom: qdsp6: Ensure PCM format is supported by USB audio device Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:00 ` [PATCH v9 23/34] ALSA: usb-audio: Prevent starting of audio stream if in use Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 22:37   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2023-10-18 20:33     ` Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:00 ` [PATCH v9 24/34] ASoC: dt-bindings: Add Q6USB backend Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:01 ` [PATCH v9 25/34] ASoC: dt-bindings: Update example for enabling USB offload on SM8250 Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:01 ` [PATCH v9 26/34] ASoC: qcom: qdsp6: q6afe: Split USB AFE dev_token param into separate API Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 22:39   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2023-10-19  0:10     ` Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:01 ` [PATCH v9 27/34] ALSA: usb-audio: qcom: Populate PCM and USB chip information Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 22:41   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2023-10-19  0:59     ` Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:01 ` [PATCH v9 28/34] ASoC: qcom: qdsp6: Add support to track available USB PCM devices Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 22:43   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2023-10-19  1:00     ` Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:01 ` [PATCH v9 29/34] ASoC: qcom: qdsp6: Add SND kcontrol to select offload device Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 22:50   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2023-10-19  1:39     ` Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:01 ` [PATCH v9 30/34] ASoC: qcom: qdsp6: Add SND kcontrol for fetching offload status Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 22:53   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2023-10-19  1:41     ` Wesley Cheng
2023-10-19 19:25       ` Wesley Cheng
2023-10-19 20:39         ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2023-10-17 20:01 ` [PATCH v9 31/34] ASoC: qcom: qdsp6: Add headphone jack for offload connection status Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 23:03   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2023-10-17 20:01 ` [PATCH v9 32/34] ALSA: usb-audio: qcom: Use card and PCM index from QMI request Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:01 ` [PATCH v9 33/34] ALSA: usb-audio: Allow for rediscovery of connected USB SND devices Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 23:07   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2023-10-17 20:01 ` [PATCH v9 34/34] ASoC: usb: Rediscover USB SND devices on USB port add Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 23:11   ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2023-10-23 21:54     ` Wesley Cheng
2023-10-24 13:35       ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2023-10-25 22:31         ` Wesley Cheng
2023-10-17 20:58 ` [PATCH v9 00/34] Introduce QC USB SND audio offloading support Pierre-Louis Bossart
2023-10-18  0:25   ` Wesley Cheng
2023-10-18 13:54     ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2023-10-18 20:20       ` Wesley Cheng

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