From: "Måns Rullgård" <mans@mansr.com>
To: Nicolas Pitre <nico@fluxnic.net>
Cc: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
Stephen Boyd <sboyd@codeaurora.org>,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org,
Michal Marek <mmarek@suse.com>,
linux-kbuild@vger.kernel.org, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Thomas Petazzoni <thomas.petazzoni@free-electrons.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/2] ARM: Replace calls to __aeabi_{u}idiv with udiv/sdiv instructions
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2015 12:41:54 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <yw1xoaehnd9p.fsf@unicorn.mansr.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.20.1511252259090.22569@knanqh.ubzr> (Nicolas Pitre's message of "Thu, 26 Nov 2015 00:32:45 -0500 (EST)")
Nicolas Pitre <nico@fluxnic.net> writes:
> On Thu, 26 Nov 2015, Måns Rullgård wrote:
>
>> Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk> writes:
>>
>> > On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 12:50:08AM +0000, Måns Rullgård wrote:
>> >> If not calling the function saves an I-cache miss, the benefit can be
>> >> substantial. No, I have no proof of this being a problem, but it's
>> >> something that could happen.
>> >
>> > That's a simplistic view of modern CPUs.
>> >
>> > As I've already said, modern CPUs which have branch prediction, but
>> > they also have speculative instruction fetching and speculative data
>> > prefetching - which the CPUs which have idiv support will have.
>> >
>> > With such features, the branch predictor is able to learn that the
>> > branch will be taken, and because of the speculative instruction
>> > fetching, it can bring the cache line in so that it has the
>> > instructions it needs with minimal or, if working correctly,
>> > without stalling the CPU pipeline.
>>
>> It doesn't matter how many fancy features the CPU has. Executing more
>> branches and using more cache lines puts additional pressure on those
>> resources, reducing overall performance. Besides, the performance
>> counters readily show that the prediction is nothing near as perfect as
>> you seem to believe.
>
> OK... Let's try to come up with actual numbers.
>
> We know that letting gcc emit idiv by itself is the ultimate solution.
> And it is free of maintenance on our side besides passing the
> appropriate argument to gcc of course. So this is worth doing.
>
> For the case where you have a set of target machines in your kernel that
> may or may not have idiv, then the first step should be to patch
> __aeabi_uidiv and __aeabi_idiv. This is a pretty small and simple
> change that might turn out to be more than good enough. It is necessary
> anyway as the full patching solution does not cover all cases.
>
> Then, IMHO, it would be a good idea to get performance numbers to
> compare that first step and the full patching solution. Of course the
> full patching will yield better performance. It has to. But if the
> difference is not significant enough, then it might not be worth
> introducing the implied complexity into mainline. And it is not because
> the approach is bad. In fact I think this is a very cool hack. But it
> comes with a cost in maintenance and that cost has to be justified.
>
> Just to have an idea, I produced the attached micro benchmark. I tested
> on a TC2 forced to a single Cortex-A15 core and I got those results:
>
> Testing INLINE_DIV ...
>
> real 0m7.182s
> user 0m7.170s
> sys 0m0.000s
>
> Testing PATCHED_DIV ...
>
> real 0m7.181s
> user 0m7.170s
> sys 0m0.000s
>
> Testing OUTOFLINE_DIV ...
>
> real 0m7.181s
> user 0m7.170s
> sys 0m0.005s
>
> Testing LIBGCC_DIV ...
>
> real 0m18.659s
> user 0m18.635s
> sys 0m0.000s
>
> As you can see, whether the div is inline or out-of-line, whether
> arguments are moved into r0-r1 or not, makes no difference at all on a
> Cortex-A15.
>
> Now forcing it onto a Cortex-A7 core:
>
> Testing INLINE_DIV ...
>
> real 0m8.917s
> user 0m8.895s
> sys 0m0.005s
>
> Testing PATCHED_DIV ...
>
> real 0m11.666s
> user 0m11.645s
> sys 0m0.000s
>
> Testing OUTOFLINE_DIV ...
>
> real 0m13.065s
> user 0m13.025s
> sys 0m0.000s
>
> Testing LIBGCC_DIV ...
>
> real 0m51.815s
> user 0m51.750s
> sys 0m0.005s
>
> So on A cortex-A7 the various overheads become visible. How significant
> is it in practice with normal kernel usage? I don't know.
Bear in mind that in a trivial test like this, everything fits in L1
caches and branch prediction works perfectly. It would be more
informative to measure the effect on a load that already has some cache
and branch prediction misses.
--
Måns Rullgård
mans@mansr.com
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-11-26 12:41 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-11-25 21:51 [PATCH v2 0/2] ARM: Use udiv/sdiv for __aeabi_{u}idiv library functions Stephen Boyd
2015-11-25 21:51 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] scripts: Add a recorduidiv program Stephen Boyd
2015-11-25 23:47 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-11-30 15:11 ` Michal Marek
2015-11-30 15:32 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-11-30 15:40 ` Michal Marek
2015-12-01 16:07 ` Michal Marek
2015-12-01 16:19 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-12-01 16:43 ` Michal Marek
2015-12-01 16:49 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-12-01 17:10 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-12-01 17:22 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-12-01 18:16 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-12-01 21:39 ` Michal Marek
2015-12-02 10:23 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-12-02 14:05 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-12-11 12:09 ` [PATCH] scripts: recordmcount: break hardlinks Russell King
2015-12-11 14:31 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-12-11 14:45 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-12-11 15:08 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-12-11 18:10 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-12-11 18:33 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-12-11 18:51 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-12-11 18:58 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-12-11 19:28 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-11-25 21:51 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] ARM: Replace calls to __aeabi_{u}idiv with udiv/sdiv instructions Stephen Boyd
2015-11-25 23:09 ` Nicolas Pitre
2015-11-26 0:05 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-11-26 0:07 ` Måns Rullgård
2015-11-26 0:44 ` Nicolas Pitre
2015-11-26 0:50 ` Måns Rullgård
2015-11-26 1:28 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-11-26 2:19 ` Måns Rullgård
2015-11-26 5:32 ` Nicolas Pitre
2015-11-26 12:41 ` Måns Rullgård [this message]
2015-11-26 0:08 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
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