* Hi folks
@ 2004-04-22 23:15 Steffen Solyga
2004-04-23 6:26 ` Frederic Marmond
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0 siblings, 3 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Steffen Solyga @ 2004-04-22 23:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux assembly
is it really that silent in here?
nevertheless, greetings from berlin!
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Steffen Solyga
mail: solyga@absinth.net
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread* Re: Hi folks 2004-04-22 23:15 Hi folks Steffen Solyga @ 2004-04-23 6:26 ` Frederic Marmond 2004-04-23 15:15 ` Lu Zhao 2004-04-23 17:28 ` Sebastien Fortas 2004-04-23 22:23 ` Jim Boedicker 2 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Frederic Marmond @ 2004-04-23 6:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Steffen Solyga; +Cc: linux assembly Steffen Solyga wrote: >is it really that silent in here? >nevertheless, greetings from berlin! > > > yes, it seems that: 1- the list is broken 2- assembly is so badly represent in today's computer world that nobody want to show he loves it 3- nobody have problems in assembly ;) It's a little boring, I've a lot of time theses days, and would very much appreciate to do some support on assembly/kernel/system things... Bonjour de Montpellier (South France) Fred ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Hi folks 2004-04-23 6:26 ` Frederic Marmond @ 2004-04-23 15:15 ` Lu Zhao 0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Lu Zhao @ 2004-04-23 15:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: linux assembly Assembly is very important, but it depends on where to use it. There are two types of things, I think, that one can do in assembly language for a system. One is to add support for new hardware. However, most of the time, hardware vendors've done the work by providing kernel modules. The second one is more interesting and challenging for a general purpose computer. That's to improve the current linux assembly, making it better, or start a new object-oriented interface for kernel development, making it easily usable by C++. Those kernel developers for some architectures must have been working on rebuilding the lowest interface for kernel development, but I am wondering why nobody is trying to come up with an object-oriented solution. Maybe the high risk of nobody using it after developing such a system places any formal efforts under table. Some day in the future, I might start to try it as a hobby, just like the way the linux kernel was born, or I'll never do it because I'm lazy. :) Some good places for practicing assembly is to look at some chip vendors' mailing lists to see what others are doing. Assembly is not meant to be hot these days, because it means a sort of binding with hardware. Things get complicated once touching hardware. Maybe the basic constraint is that hardware is a type of physical resource, not pure intelligent resource. Only some people may have it. Tyne --- Frederic Marmond <fmarmond@eprocess.fr> wrote: > Steffen Solyga wrote: > > >is it really that silent in here? > >nevertheless, greetings from berlin! > > > > > > > yes, it seems that: > 1- the list is broken > 2- assembly is so badly represent in today's computer world that > nobody > want to show he loves it > 3- nobody have problems in assembly > > ;) > It's a little boring, I've a lot of time theses days, and would very > much appreciate to do some support on assembly/kernel/system > things... > > Bonjour de Montpellier (South France) > > Fred > - > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe > linux-assembly" in > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org > More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Hi folks 2004-04-22 23:15 Hi folks Steffen Solyga 2004-04-23 6:26 ` Frederic Marmond @ 2004-04-23 17:28 ` Sebastien Fortas 2004-04-23 22:23 ` Jim Boedicker 2 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Sebastien Fortas @ 2004-04-23 17:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: linux assembly Greetings from paris, There seems to be no more interest in writing bootstrap loaders anymore, or maybe the information is readily available on web sites that convieniently lack human interactivity. How I long for the old days of usenet and mailing lists. - sdf --- Steffen Solyga <solyga@absinth.net> a écrit : > is it really that silent in here? > nevertheless, greetings from berlin! Yahoo! Mail : votre e-mail personnel et gratuit qui vous suit partout ! Créez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://fr.benefits.yahoo.com/ Dialoguez en direct avec vos amis grâce à Yahoo! Messenger !Téléchargez Yahoo! Messenger sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-assembly" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Hi folks 2004-04-22 23:15 Hi folks Steffen Solyga 2004-04-23 6:26 ` Frederic Marmond 2004-04-23 17:28 ` Sebastien Fortas @ 2004-04-23 22:23 ` Jim Boedicker 2004-04-24 0:58 ` some thoughts and questions Steffen Solyga 2 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Jim Boedicker @ 2004-04-23 22:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: linux assembly Steffen Solyga wrote: > is it really that silent in here? > nevertheless, greetings from berlin! > Someone please put something in her for everyone to kick around, and Learn from? Jim -- /earth: file system full ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* some thoughts and questions 2004-04-23 22:23 ` Jim Boedicker @ 2004-04-24 0:58 ` Steffen Solyga 2004-04-24 7:41 ` peter willy krause 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Steffen Solyga @ 2004-04-24 0:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: linux assembly glad to see that i'm not alone with my subscription and my questions to come :-) Did somebody of you guys already try writing a boot loader? Not that i intend to write one... I'm quite new to x86 assembly; spent a lot of time programming the 6502/6510, turbo-stuff for the c64-floppy, but thats that long ago, about 15 years. When the PC came up I hated its design, because there was no need to have the cuircuit-drawing next to my box, no fixed addresses and so on. However, the games got me and I bought by first PC (386). And some years later I learned to love the UNIX boxes at the university... Well, that was just a short jump to Linux -- as users. Now, object oriented programming isn't exiting, let's try the opposite again. It's not just the result (working program) that counts, but the fun shifting bits, exploring the architecture. How do you feel about these tons of opcodes shipped with the x86 processors? Is it fun to know them all? Or is it just a waste of time to learn about block-move-instructions? (As far as I remember, the 8080 already had a block instruction -- I didn't believe it those days! Was'n there a loop?) By the way, if somebody of should have the guts to teach me something, i would be happy having my first assembly lines commented http://linux.xulin.de/asm/cmdline/cmdline.asm Meaning, "xor eax, eax" looks more interesting than "mov eax, 0", and I think there are a lot of x86-ideas I have to learn... The 6502 only had two flags usable for branching (zero+carry), and now I have two more (sign+parity) - how do I really make use of them? Thanks a lot, Steffen -- ---------------------------- Steffen Solyga mail: solyga@absinth.net www : http://linux.xulin.de/ ---------------------------- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: some thoughts and questions 2004-04-24 0:58 ` some thoughts and questions Steffen Solyga @ 2004-04-24 7:41 ` peter willy krause 2004-04-24 7:56 ` peter willy krause 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: peter willy krause @ 2004-04-24 7:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: linux assembly, linux-assembly Am Samstag, 24. April 2004 01:58 schrieb Steffen Solyga: > glad to see that i'm not alone with my subscription > and my questions to come :-) > Did somebody of you guys already try writing a boot loader? > Not that i intend to write one... imho, not that useful, at all... > How do you feel about these tons of opcodes shipped with the x86 > processors? Is it fun to know them all? Or is it just a waste less fun but, efficiency. > By the way, if somebody of should have the guts to teach me > something, i would be happy having my first assembly lines who is 'something'... :) > and now I have two more (sign+parity) - how do I really make > use of them? study! (aren't you a professional on that?) much information, examples &c at http://linuxassembly.org/resources.html best, hp besides, I've been highly interested in 'ee', many years ago (E.Mohr), but only to finding out that I was already too old to turn it to earn some living, afterwards, thus gave up. -- mail to 'hp': lx at lxhp : in-berlin : de forth+linux+assembly : http://www.lxhp.in-berlin.de/index-lx.shtml ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: some thoughts and questions 2004-04-24 7:41 ` peter willy krause @ 2004-04-24 7:56 ` peter willy krause 0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: peter willy krause @ 2004-04-24 7:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: linux assembly, linux-assembly Am Samstag, 24. April 2004 08:41 schrieb peter willy krause: > besides, I've been highly interested in 'ee', many years ago (E.Mohr), ^^^^^^^ unsinn(? zu schnell abgeschrieben), 'theroretische elektrotechnik' soll's gewesen sein. -- mail to 'hp': lx at lxhp : in-berlin : de ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
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