Re: [PATCH] Fix AUDIT_MAC_POLICY_LOAD event formatting

[Stephen Smalley <sds-+05T5uksL2qpZYMLLGbcSA@public.gmane.org>]

On 11/22/2016 09:28 AM, Steve Grubb wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 22, 2016 8:56:57 AM EST Stephen Smalley wrote:
>> On 11/21/2016 04:50 PM, Paul Moore wrote:
>>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Steve Grubb <sgrubb-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>>> The AUDIT_MAC_POLICY_LOAD event has dangling text that means the same
>>>> thing
>>>> as the event type and is missing the uid and results field. The bigger
>>>> issue is that in some failure cases no event is emitted. This patch
>>>> fixes the noted problems.
>>
>> A potential problem with this patch is that it changes the semantic
>> meaning of this audit record, from meaning "a policy was loaded into the
>> kernel" to "there was an attempt to load a policy, check the res= field
>> to determine whether it succeeded".  So anything in userspace that used
>> the presence of this audit record to determine whether or not policy was
>> successfully loaded (e.g. audit2allow -l) will be confused.
> 
> I really can't have implicit success. I need to have a field to point to that 
> says yes/no. It can be hard coded to res=1 (success), but it needs to be 
> there.

Ok.  Why is it you use res=1|0 in these records but success=yes|no in
syscall records?

>> While there were failure cases that would still generate the audit record
>> previously, those were all selinuxfs node creation failures; the policy
>> would nonetheless have been loaded into the kernel and would be active
>> at that point, so saying res=0 is somewhat misleading.
> 
> OK. We can move the point where res=1 is set. But I would think that its a 
> requirement to have an audit record that states that policy failed to load. 
> FMT_MSA.3 Static Attribute Initialization. Auditable events: All modifications 
> of the initial value of security attributes. I would think this means changes 
> such as booleans, modifying labels, loading a new policy, or failure to load a 
> policy.

Failure to load a policy is not a modification to the initial value of
the security attribute, is it?

> 
> 
>> This overlapswith https://github.com/SELinuxProject/selinux-kernel/issues/1,
>> which highlights the fact that we can end up in an intermediate state where
>> policy is loaded but selinuxfs (particularly booleans, class/*, and
>> policy_capabilities/*) has not been regenerated.
> 
> I see. That should be an audited event. If you have a datacenter with a 
> thousand machines, its best to get this in the audit trail so it can be 
> alerted on at a central collector.
> 
> So, what should we do about the patch? I'm willing to modify it.

At present, we only generate AUDIT_MAC_STATUS, AUDIT_MAC_LOAD, and
AUDIT_MAC_CONFIG_CHANGE on success (or at least partial success).  If
you truly need to audit failures, then it seems like you either need to
a) do it through syscall audit filters, which already provide a success=
field or b) add new audit message types for this purpose (e.g.
AUDIT_MAC_STATUS_FAIL, AUDIT_MAC_LOAD_FAIL, ...).  To just add a res=
field to the existing ones and change them to always be generated is a
user-visible semantic change.

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