Re: reactive audit question

[Steve Grubb <sgrubb@redhat.com>]

Hi Lenny,

On Friday, November 12, 2010 12:24:43 pm LC Bruzenak wrote:
> In our systems there are occasionally AVC "storms" which happen as a
> result of some unforeseen (and often unknown) issue tickled by various
> reasons.
> 
> At fielded sites, we are unable to fix this easily. Since we have to
> keep all the audit data, this leads to many problems on a system running
> over a weekend, for example, with no administrators around.
> 
> I probably need to add in either some rate-limiting code or possibly
> kill off the process generating the AVCs. Rate-limiting I'd guess could
> go into the auditd. If I wanted to be more brutal and kill the process,
> I'd think maybe a modification to the setroubleshoot code would be
> workable.

I didn't answer right away because I didn't have a good answer for you. If the storm 
is large enough to overrun the kernel queue, the rate limiting needs to be in the 
kernel. If auditd is able to handle the load, then perhaps you need an analysis plugin 
that performs whatever action you deem best.

 
> I don't think that a reactive rule is an option -
> 1) We have our rules locked into the kernel on startup and I'm against
> changing that, and
> 2) maybe "normal" avc counts, under a threshold, we'd still want to see,
> from that same process. Besides,
> 3) unless the rules have been changed, we cannot exclude AVCs from a
> particular type/process anyway.
> 
> Got any thoughts/ideas/advice?

What is the general source of the problem right now? Was it just that the app was 
doing something that policy didn't know it could do? Or was there attacks under way 
that someone was trying something bad? Or was its just an admin mistake where 
something didn't have the right label? Each of these has a different solution.

I think this is a complex problem and controls might be needed at several spots. I'd 
be open to hearing ideas on this too. I've also been wondering if the audit daemon 
might want to use control groups as a means of keeping itself scheduled for very busy 
systems. But i'd like to hear other people's thoughts.

-Steve