Re: Linux audit performance impact

[Richard Guy Briggs <rgb@redhat.com>]

On 15/02/03, Satish Chandra Kilaru wrote:
> Thanks for The info. But my question was rhetorical... I meant to say that
> it would not be much... She is trying to bombard the system with open calls
> ... So lots and lots of events will be generated and kernel has to write
> down the events some where or discard them...

Exactly.  It is of little practical use.  You have to do I/O at some
point, either to the same disk or another, or to a network interface or
serial port, otherwise, just chuck it out.  You could do a performance
measurement on a short burst, then drain the queue, but what will that
actually tell us?

> On Tuesday, February 3, 2015, Richard Guy Briggs <rgb@redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> > On 15/02/03, Satish Chandra Kilaru wrote:
> > > How many events can kernel accumulate without I/o ?
> >
> > The kernel default is 64 *buffers*, but I think Fedora and RHEL set it
> > to 320.  It is now possible to set it to "0" which means limited only by
> > system resources.  See "man auditctl", "-b" option.  An event can be
> > made up of several buffers.
> >
> > Of course, how long a system lasts before the queue blows up depends on
> > your rule set...
> >
> > However, at the moment, it will still write out to klog if auditd isn't
> > running.
> >
> > > On Tuesday, February 3, 2015, Viswanath, Logeswari P (MCOU OSTL) <
> > > logeswari.pv@hp.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I don't want to disable auditing (i.e. disable audit record
> > collection),
> > > > but just do not want the records to delivered to user space since I
> > want to
> > > > remove the I/O overhead while running the performance test.
> > > > Is there any option for this?
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Richard Guy Briggs [mailto:rgb@redhat.com <javascript:;>
> > <javascript:;>]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 10:23 PM
> > > > To: Viswanath, Logeswari P (MCOU OSTL)
> > > > Cc: Satish Chandra Kilaru; Steve Grubb; linux-audit@redhat.com
> > <javascript:;>
> > > > <javascript:;>
> > > > Subject: Re: Linux audit performance impact
> > > >
> > > > On 15/01/29, Viswanath, Logeswari P (MCOU OSTL) wrote:
> > > > > Please read my question as “Is there any option to configure kaudit
> > > > > not to log audit records to syslog? when auditd not running.”
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, remove audit=1 from the kernel command line, or set audit=0 in
> > its
> > > > place.  This will stop all but AVCs and if auditd has ever run since
> > boot.
> > > > If audit=0 is on the kernel boot line, it will be impossible to run
> > auditd.
> > > >
> > > > There is a feature request that is likely coming soon that could be
> > > > useful:
> > > >
> > > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1160046
> > > > "If no audit daemon is running, but an audit multicast subscriber is
> > > > around, then the kernel shouldn't forward audit data to kmsg"
> > > >
> > > > > From: Viswanath, Logeswari P (MCOU OSTL)
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 11:49 AM
> > > > > To: 'Satish Chandra Kilaru'; Steve Grubb
> > > > > Cc: linux-audit@redhat.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>
> > > > > Subject: RE: Linux audit performance impact
> > > > >
> > > > > Is there any option to configure kaudit not to log audit records to
> > > > syslog when auditd is running?
> > > > > This way we can assess the impact of enabling audit without involving
> > > > disk I/o overhead.
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Satish Chandra Kilaru [mailto:iam.kilaru@gmail.com
> > <javascript:;> <javascript:;>]
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 9:12 AM
> > > > > To: Steve Grubb
> > > > > Cc: linux-audit@redhat.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;><mailto:
> > linux-audit@redhat.com <javascript:;>
> > > > <javascript:;>>; Viswanath,
> > > > > Logeswari P (MCOU OSTL)
> > > > > Subject: Re: Linux audit performance impact
> > > > >
> > > > > I agree with you... but writing to disk can trigger further events
> > > > leading spiralling of events...
> > > > > I brought down my server few times with stupid rules...
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 10:39 PM, Steve Grubb <sgrubb@redhat.com
> > <javascript:;>
> > > > <javascript:;><mailto:sgrubb@redhat.com <javascript:;>
> > <javascript:;>>> wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, January 28, 2015 10:18:47 AM Satish Chandra Kilaru
> > wrote:
> > > > > > Write your own program to receive audit events directly without
> > > > > > using auditd...
> > > > > > That should be faster ....
> > > > > > Auditd will log the events to disk causing more I/o than u need...
> > > > >
> > > > > But even that is configurable in many ways. You can decide if you
> > want
> > > > > logging to disk or not and what kind of assurance that it made it to
> > > > > disk and the priority of that audit daemon. Then you also have all
> > the
> > > > > normal tuning knobs for disk throughput that you would use for any
> > > > > disk performance critical system.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Steve
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Wednesday, January 28, 2015, Viswanath, Logeswari P (MCOU OSTL)
> > <
> > > > > >
> > > > > > logeswari.pv@hp.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;><mailto:
> > logeswari.pv@hp.com <javascript:;>
> > > > <javascript:;>>> wrote:
> > > > > > >  Hi Steve,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am Logeswari working for HP.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We want to know audit performance impact on RHEL and Suse linux
> > to
> > > > > > > help us evaluate linux audit as data source for our host based
> > IDS.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > When we ran our own performance test with a test audispd plugin,
> > > > > > > we found if a system can perform 200000 open/close system calls
> > > > > > > per second without auditing, system can perform only 3000
> > > > > > > open/close system calls auditing is enabled for open/close system
> > > > > > > call which is a HUGE impact on the system performance. It would
> > be
> > > > > > > great if anyone can help us answering the following questions.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1)      Is this performance impact expected? If yes, what is the
> > > > reason
> > > > > > > behind it and can we fix it?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2)      Have anyone done any benchmarking for performance
> > impact? If
> > > > yes,
> > > > > > > can you please share the numbers and also the steps/programs used
> > > > > > > the run the same.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 3)      Help us validating the performance test we have done in
> > our
> > > > test
> > > > > > > setup using the steps mentioned along with the results attached.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Attached test program (loader.c) to invoke open and close system
> > > > calls.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Attached idskerndsp is the audispd plugin program.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We used time command to determine how much time the system took
> > to
> > > > > > > complete 50000 open/close system calls without (results attached
> > > > > > > Without-auditing) and with auditing enabled on the system
> > > > > > > (With-auditing-NOLOG-audispd-plugin and With-auditing-RAW)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > System details:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1 CPU machine
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > *OS Version*
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > RHEL 6.5
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > *Kernel Version*
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > uname –r
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2.6.32-431.el6.x86_64
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Note: auditd was occupying 35% of CPU and was sleeping for most
> > of
> > > > > > > the time whereas kauditd was occupying 20% of the CPU.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Logeswari.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > - RGB
> > > >
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