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From: Steve Grubb <sgrubb@redhat.com>
To: linux-audit@redhat.com
Subject: Re: linux-audit: reconstruct path names from syscall events?
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 19:00:40 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4547273.ji5OMfINXo@x2> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOH1cHkowcv6k0D2bkXFcjU3k4UtG2WX3nSwNa267qmODNfs_w@mail.gmail.com>

On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 03:45:08 PM Mark Moseley wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk> wrote:
> > Again, relying on pathnames for forensics (or security in general) is
> > a serious mistake (cue unprintable comments about apparmor and similar
> > varieties of snake oil).  And using audit as poor man's ktrace analog
> > is... misguided, to put it very mildly.
> 
> Caveat: I'm just a sysadmin, so this stuff is as darn near "magic" as
> I get to see on a regular basis, so it's safe to expect some naivety
> and/or misguidedness on my part :)
> 
> I'm just using it as a log of files that have been written/changed on
> moderately- to heavily-used systems. If there's another in-kernel
> mechanism that'd be better suited for that sort of thing (at least
> without adding a lot of overhead), I'd be definitely eager to know
> about it. It's a web hosting environment, with customer files all
> solely on NFS, so writes to the same directory can come from an
> arbitrary number of servers. When they get swamped with write
> requests, the amount of per-client stats exposed by our Netapp and
> Oracle NFS servers is often only enough to point us at a client server
> with an abusive user on it (but not much more, without turning on
> debugging). Having logs of who's doing writes would be quite useful,
> esp when writes aren't happening at that exact moment and wouldn't
> show up in tools like iotop. The audit subsystem seemed like the best
> fit for this kind of thing, but I'm more than open to whatever works.

The audit system is the best fit. But I think Al is saying there are some 
limitations. i know that Eric pushed some patches a while back that makes a 
stronger effort at collecting some of this information. What kernel are you 
using?

-Steve

  reply	other threads:[~2012-10-10 23:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-09-17  0:12 linux-audit: reconstruct path names from syscall events? John Feuerstein
2011-10-01 12:31 ` Steve Grubb
2011-10-03 19:42   ` Casey Schaufler
2011-10-04 17:02     ` Steve Grubb
2011-10-04 22:09     ` John Feuerstein
2011-10-07 13:50       ` Eric Paris
2011-10-07 14:04         ` Steve Grubb
2011-10-07 17:20         ` Casey Schaufler
2011-10-07 18:02           ` Steve Grubb
2011-10-07 18:27           ` Eric Paris
2011-10-07 21:38             ` Casey Schaufler
2011-10-10 12:54               ` Steve Grubb
2012-10-09 23:09 ` Mark Moseley
2012-10-09 23:29   ` Al Viro
2012-10-09 23:39   ` Al Viro
2012-10-09 23:47     ` Mark Moseley
2012-10-09 23:54       ` Al Viro
2012-10-10 22:45         ` Mark Moseley
2012-10-10 23:00           ` Steve Grubb [this message]
2012-10-10 23:07             ` Mark Moseley
2012-10-11 17:27               ` Mark Moseley
2012-10-30  1:12                 ` Mark Moseley

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