From: Matthew Booth <mbooth@redhat.com>
To: Steve Grubb <sgrubb@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-audit@redhat.com
Subject: Re: Cooked audit log format
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 16:02:36 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <48285C0C.5070809@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200805121043.17906.sgrubb@redhat.com>
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Steve Grubb wrote:
>> Simple starters would include:
>> * Translating the architecture and syscall names into human.
>
> libauparse, ausearch, & ausyscall can do this.
>
>> * Jumping one way or the other with the hex strings business
>
> not sure what you mean by this. ausearch, aureport, & libauparse can handle
> them.
Strings should be either always hex encoded, or always escaped
(preferably the latter).
>> * Translating socket addresses into human.
>
> libauparse, ausearch, and aureport all do this.
>
>> * Translating timestamps into human.
>
> libauparse, ausearch, and aureport all do this.
No doubt, but I'm interested in a general agreement around the output,
not which tools can generate it. My customer is using a third party
audit tool to collate logs from a large number of sources including
Linux accounting logs, but also including HP-UX, Solaris, Windows, AIX,
door sensors, etc... There is currently no good steer for third party
tool vendors about what log format they should support, hence I have
recommended uncooked. However, the problem with uncooked logs is that
they are offensive to the human eye ;) This makes life difficult for an
operator presented with a bunch of logs to look at, which together form
some interesting event.
>> * Ditching uninteresting records, such as PATH with no name for the
>> dynamic linker, and 2 PATH records when execing a script.
Oh, also:
* Ditching CWD and making all PATH records absolute.
>> with an ultimate goal of:
>> * Defining an expected set of data for every system call and putting
>> them all on a single line in a well defined format.
>
> I have a feeling that too will become an abomination. aureport tries to get
> the audit events down to the bare essentials. But what you wind up with is
> something that makes you want more details. When you add more details you
> feel like you want less.
The goal is semi human-readability in a standard, machine-readable
format. So include all the abominable details, but at the end of the
line ;) And put everything on 1 line. And define exactly what will be on
that line, every time.
>> Is anybody doing any work in this direction?
>
> Not really. Part of the problem is that I occasionally hear complaints about
> the audit format, but then no one that is actually /using/ the audit output
> is willing to help define what an auditor needs. I'd really like this to come
> from people who do this as their job.
>
> I can take a guess at what's needed. But I really want to hear it from the
> Security Officer's perspective.
>
> One thing that is on the TODO list is to make a output format that is like
> strace for syscall records. At least people have experience reading strace
> output and it might help make one class of record easier to understand. Doing
> this will be a big job, so I want to get some important things like remote
> logging finished before jumping into it.
>
I don't underestimate the size of the task: it's a huge mountain of
donkey work, but it really has to be done. And maintained...
Matt
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-05-12 15:02 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-05-11 21:40 Cooked audit log format Matthew Booth
2008-05-12 14:43 ` Steve Grubb
2008-05-12 15:02 ` Matthew Booth [this message]
2008-05-12 15:19 ` Steve Grubb
2008-05-12 15:50 ` LC Bruzenak
2008-05-12 16:09 ` Miloslav Trmač
2008-05-12 16:34 ` Steve Grubb
2008-05-12 16:44 ` LC Bruzenak
2008-05-12 16:53 ` Matthew Booth
2008-05-12 16:12 ` John Dennis
2008-05-12 20:56 ` Eric Paris
2008-05-13 12:30 ` John Dennis
2008-05-15 10:28 ` Tony Jones
2008-05-15 12:44 ` Steve Grubb
2008-05-15 15:59 ` John Dennis
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