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From: Mr Dash Four <mr.dash.four@googlemail.com>
To: Steve Grubb <sgrubb@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-audit@redhat.com, netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org,
	Thomas Graf <tgraf@redhat.com>, Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Eric Paris <eparis@parisplace.org>,
	Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>,
	Pablo Neira Ayuso <pablo@netfilter.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2nd revision] Add SELinux context support to AUDIT target
Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2011 14:10:48 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4DECD1D8.60804@googlemail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201106060853.57940.sgrubb@redhat.com>


> Exactly my point. There is no leak if its text or numeric.
>   
No, there is no leak if it is a text, but there *is* a leak if it is a 
numeric. I think I've made that quite clear.

>> As for exposing the (internal) numerical representation of the secctx - this was
>> discussed previously and the approach you are suggesting was dropped. To quote
>> Eric on this very issue "[It] exports the internal secid to userspace.
>> These are dynamic, can change on lsm changes, and have no meaning in
>> userspace. We should instead be sending lsm contexts to userspace
>> instead.".
>>     
>
> Doesn't matter. The requirements of the protection profiles say to log the object's 
> label.
> It does not care if its text or numeric. It also does not say sometimes or only 
> when its convenient. :)
Again, I disagree. Logging the internal numerical representation of 
secctx is, as I have already stated about 3 times by now, exposing 
internal (private-to-the-kernel-only) information to userspace. That 
cannot be allowed.

Besides, this numerical representation isn't reliable - these numbers 
are dynamic and can change - another reason why they should not be 
allowed to be present in the audit log. What happens if I make changes 
to my security policy and then run ausearch/aureport? I am either going 
to see different (wrong!) context reported if ausearch/aureport attempts 
to "convert" those numbers into SELinux context, or, I am going to see 
meaningless numbers. Either way, useless or misleading information is 
going to be reported and we don't want that, do we?

>   Its either important enough to log even if text conversion 
> fails or its not important enough to log at all.
>   
That is exactly what the current patch does - if secctx is present (and 
retrievable) it is logged, if not, then it isn't. Quite simple really.

  reply	other threads:[~2011-06-06 13:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2011-06-04 15:12       ` [PATCH 2nd revision] Add SELinux context support to AUDIT target Mr Dash Four
2011-06-05 23:06         ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2011-06-06 12:02           ` Mr Dash Four
2011-06-06 23:20             ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2011-06-07  8:18               ` Mr Dash Four
2011-06-07  9:12                 ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2011-06-07 10:32                   ` [PATCH 3rd " Mr Dash Four
2011-06-08 14:49                     ` Steve Grubb
2011-06-08 16:12                       ` Mr Dash Four
2011-06-08 17:14                         ` Steve Grubb
2011-06-08 18:04                           ` Mr Dash Four
2011-06-08 18:13                       ` Casey Schaufler
2011-06-08 18:33                         ` Eric Paris
2011-06-08 19:00                           ` Mr Dash Four
2011-06-08 19:08                             ` Eric Paris
2011-06-08 19:14                               ` Mr Dash Four
2011-06-08 19:28                               ` Steve Grubb
2011-06-08 19:39                                 ` Eric Paris
2011-06-09 12:28                                   ` Patrick McHardy
2011-06-09 12:52                                     ` Eric Paris
2011-06-09 12:56                                       ` Patrick McHardy
2011-06-09 14:08                                       ` Mr Dash Four
2011-06-09 15:06                                         ` Eric Paris
2011-06-09 15:16                                           ` Mr Dash Four
2011-06-16  8:36                                             ` Mr Dash Four
2011-06-18 12:08                                               ` [PATCH 4th " Mr Dash Four
2011-06-20 12:20                                                 ` Steve Grubb
2011-06-20 14:21                                                   ` Mr Dash Four
2011-06-20 14:27                                                     ` Eric Paris
2011-06-30 11:35                                                       ` Patrick McHardy
2011-06-08 18:36                         ` [PATCH 3rd " Steve Grubb
2011-06-08 18:45                           ` Mr Dash Four
2011-06-06 12:14         ` [PATCH 2nd " Steve Grubb
2011-06-06 12:25           ` Mr Dash Four
2011-06-06 12:30             ` Steve Grubb
2011-06-06 12:42               ` Mr Dash Four
2011-06-06 12:53                 ` Steve Grubb
2011-06-06 13:10                   ` Mr Dash Four [this message]
2011-06-06 23:22                     ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2011-06-07  0:59                       ` Steve Grubb
2011-06-07  1:23                         ` Casey Schaufler

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