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From: Kai Krakow <hurikhan77@gmail.com>
To: linux-bcache@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: SSD usage for bcache - Read and Writeback
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2017 17:31:12 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170914173112.376c03ef@jupiter.sol.kaishome.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: ad61e116-e69b-d62e-b4de-f20198d7a3fe@coly.li

Am Thu, 14 Sep 2017 16:45:25 +0200
schrieb Coly Li <i@coly.li>:

> On 2017/9/14 下午3:10, FERNANDO FREDIANI wrote:
> > Hello Coly.
> > 
> > If the users reads a piece of data that is just writen to SSD
> > (unlikely) it should first and in any condition be commited to the
> > permanent storage and then read from there and cached in another
> > area of the SSD. Writaback cache is very volatile and lasts only a
> > few seconds while the data is not yet committed to permanent
> > storage.
> > 
> > In fact multiple device suport is not implemented yet, that's why I
> > am asking it and comparing with other well technology as ZFS.
> >   
> 
> Hi Fernando,
> 
> Do you have some performance number to compare combined and separated
> configurations on ZFS ? If the performance improvement is not from
> adding one more SSD device, I don't why dedicate read/write SSDs may
> help for performance. In my understanding, if any of the SSD has
> spared throughput capability for read or write, mixed them together
> on both SSDs may have better performance number.

I could imagine that one way want to use a fast, more expensive disk as
read cache, while using a smaller SLC SSD as write cache for better
longevity and reliability. Because: When you write cache SSD breaks,
things go really bad. If you read cache breaks: No problem, it just
slows down.

So, in conclusion: The recommendation may not be because of
performance... Better performance may just be a (small) side effect.


> > 
> > On 14/09/2017 04:58, Coly Li wrote:  
> >> On 2017/9/11 下午4:04, FERNANDO FREDIANI wrote:  
>  [...]  
> >> Hi Fernando,
> >>
> >> If there is any real performance number, it will be much easier to
> >> response this idea. What confuses me is, if user reads a data block
> >> which is just written to SSD, what is the benefit for the
> >> separated SSDs.
> >>
> >> Yes I agree with you that some times a single SSD as cache device
> >> is inefficient. Multiple cache device on bcache is a
> >> not-implemented yet feature as I know.
> >>
> >> Thanks.  
> 



-- 
Regards,
Kai

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-09-14 15:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-09-11 14:04 SSD usage for bcache - Read and Writeback FERNANDO FREDIANI
2017-09-14  7:58 ` Coly Li
2017-09-14 11:43   ` Kai Krakow
2017-09-14 13:10   ` FERNANDO FREDIANI
2017-09-14 14:40     ` Emmanuel Florac
2017-09-14 14:46       ` FERNANDO FREDIANI
2017-09-14 15:04         ` Emmanuel Florac
2017-09-14 15:11           ` FERNANDO FREDIANI
2017-09-14 14:45     ` Coly Li
2017-09-14 14:54       ` FERNANDO FREDIANI
2017-09-14 15:04         ` Coly Li
2017-09-14 15:14           ` FERNANDO FREDIANI
2017-09-26 19:28             ` FERNANDO FREDIANI
2017-09-26 19:51               ` Michael Lyle
2017-09-26 20:02                 ` FERNANDO FREDIANI
2017-09-26 20:27               ` Kai Krakow
2017-09-14 15:31       ` Kai Krakow [this message]
2017-09-14 15:49         ` Coly Li

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